What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[stardream]

It is fact that all of it is canon as we know. Every pilot episode, all 5 TV series and all soon to be 13 feature films. However, due to all of these continuity errors in the Star Trek universe I truly believe that the powers that be should eventually follow the same principle as the Halloween movie franchise does. In other words, keep it all canon but break them up into different continuities/timelines/universes. So for instance if one series cannot be reconciled with another such as ENT and TOS it should be acknowledged that all the events take place in another universe on a different timeline and I am aware that Bragga did state that was the case for ENT before or during season 1 or 2. Therefore, it should be something like you have several continuities existing separately but all events are canon. So for example, you might have ENT-Star Trek:Insurrection-Star Trek:Nemisis existing in one universe (do to the events of First Contact creating ENT). Then The Cage-WNMHGB-TOS-TAS having its separate universe. TOS movies having there own. TNG-DS9-VOY-GEN. And so on and so fourth.

Or we can go the Doctor Who route. NOTHING is canon.

Or everything is canon. Even the books.

When it comes to inconsistencies, canon etc... I have found that people tend to find certain things intolerable in other shows that they will forgive when it comes to their particular favorite.

 

[The Wormhole]

That Temporal Cold War and Xindi stuff should not have taken place in a prequel.

Neither Berman nor Braga wanted to do either storyline, they were both mandated by the studio. The Temporal Cold War was forced onto the show by Paramount simply because they didn't have faith in the prequel concept and wanted some sort of connection to the future. While the Xindi was an attempt at saving the show's floundering ratings with an ongoing action storyline.

 

[fireproof78]

Enterprise. The prequel no one wanted or asked for.

Speak for yourself...it was my favorite out of all Trek series, and I don't see one stitch of continuity violation in it.

I agree with part of that statement-that a prequel was not wanted. I personally enjoy prequels, especially as they expand upon the mythos of a previously established work (several Dune novels as a quick example). Every time I hear someone mention a Starfleet Academy series I get excited, because I think it has a lot of potential to be interesting. I read almost every Academy series book, both for TOS and TNG, and am looking forward to IDW comic's Abramsverse series.

That said, ENT just never felt like it lined up for me with TOS, at least. I just felt like some elements were shoehorned in, while ignoring potentially interesting storylines. Also, the characters just were not ever that interesting to me.

Short list-phase pistols, Temporal Cold War (that goes nowhere), Suliban, insertion of Borg and Ferengi, Klingon First Contact, and the Orion.

Positives-ship design, uniforms, Terra Prime, Augments,

Enterprise's sins are no worse than the other shows. It probably has less errors internally and with the other modern shows than TOS.

Well TOS is the daddy of the franchise. It was up to the writers of the spin offs to make sure stuff tallied up with events seen and mentioned in TOS. I don't think any of the shows apart from Enterprise went out of their way to ignore TOS. Whatever they did it was to try and improve on what came before and not to ignore it. That Temporal Cold War and Xindi stuff should not have taken place in a prequel. Sure, we can assume those events just weren't mentioned in any of the other shows but that's insulting our intelligence. They mentioned historical events both real and fictional all the time but somehow neglected to mention the time a huge chunk of Earth was destroyed in a terrorist attack? The NX-01 itself, a supposedly important historical ship, was forgotten 100 years later and not even worthy of a reference 100 years after that.

This is a rant. Rants are bad. And embarassing. I'll go now.

Enterprise probably had more nods to TOS than all the other shows combined.

I'm not fan of the Temporal Cold War's execution, but I don't see the problem with it as story element. Nothing wrong with the Xindi either. Why shouldn't either be in a prequel? Are there some rules of making prequel that they violated?

Why would these particular things have to be mentioned? The Federation is big and at that point had 300 years of history. (plus Centuries prior for its members) How often do you randomly mention events from two hundred or three hundred years ago unless they are relevant to the immediate conversation? And limiting the shows plot points to the scant information about the 22nd Century presented in the other shows is creatively stifling. Plus it would become a case of small Universe syndrome.

Who said the NX-01 was forgotten? That just an extrapolation put forth by people who dislike the show. Again, context and relevance matters. Unless something prompts me, I don't usually name drop past events, historical figures or vehicles into my conversations.

Personally, ENT didn't strike quite the right balance for me a nods to later history and establishing its own thing. The Xindi thing was irritating, but I can live with it. The Temporal Cold War was more interesting but left hanging in a way that really could have been done a service to why NX-01 is not remembered as well in later history.

ENT just felt like it needed more something to really make it click, and I don't think they ever quite got there.

YMMV

 

[Nerys Myk]

I've no problem with people not liking Enterprise. Me, I don't like Voyager.

 

[BillJ]

I've no problem with people not liking Enterprise. Me, I don't like Voyager.

I'm definitely no fan of Deep Space Nine.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I've no problem with people not liking Enterprise. Me, I don't like Voyager.

I'm definitely no fan of Deep Space Nine.

Now, that's just crazy!

 

[BillJ]

I've no problem with people not liking Enterprise. Me, I don't like Voyager.

I'm definitely no fan of Deep Space Nine.

Now, that's just crazy!

Even then, I still watch a few episodes periodically. Like "Improbable Cause"/"The Die is Cast" or "In the Pale Moonlight". There's no part of the franchise that I hate. Just some get more viewing time than others.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm definitely no fan of Deep Space Nine.

Now, that's just crazy!

Even then, I still watch a few episodes periodically. Like "Improbable Cause"/"The Die is Cast" or "In the Pale Moonlight". There's no part of the franchise that I hate. Just some get more viewing time than others.

Yeah, I'll watch Voyager if I stumble across it

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The worst addition to continuity was

The Borg Queen..

For that I blame Voyager and First Contact.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Who said the NX-01 was forgotten?

It wasn't forgotten. In the movie Into Darkness there's a model of her on the long desk with other ships also called Enterprise in the admiral's office..

Also a goof. A model of the Vengeance which shouldn't have been there as it spoils the big reveal..

 

[BillJ]

The worst addition to continuity was

The Borg Queen..

For that I blame Voyager and First Contact.

Pretty sure just First Contact was responsible for that. Voyager was just using what was there.

If they hadn't included the Borg Queen, people would've been screaming after she was clearly established in the films.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

The worst addition to continuity was

The Borg Queen..

For that I blame Voyager and First Contact.

Pretty sure just First Contact was responsible for that. Voyager was just using what was there.

If they hadn't included the Borg Queen, people would've been screaming after she was clearly established in the films.

If they hadn't put her in First Contact and kept the Borg as they were in the episode Q Who they would have been far scarier.. But yeah they did that.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Speak for yourself...it was my favorite out of all Trek series, and I don't see one stitch of continuity violation in it.

I generally agree. But even they admitted to screwing up on the Romulan cloaking device in "Minefield".

Perhaps. But, given the way that Romulan ship kept cloaking and decloaking at random moments, I totally buy the explanation the novels would later give: it was a prototype and was malfunctioning.

KIRK: I don't see anything. I can't understand it.
SPOCK: Invisibility is theoretically possible, Captain, with selective bending of light. But the power cost is enormous. They may have solved that problem.
SULU: Wait... didn't they have those like a hundred years ago?
UHURA: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure the Suliban solved that problem first.
SPOCK: Oh, right. I forgot about all that.

I kid, of course.

 

[Anwar]

The worst addition to continuity was

The Borg Queen..

For that I blame Voyager and First Contact.

Pretty sure just First Contact was responsible for that. Voyager was just using what was there.

If they hadn't included the Borg Queen, people would've been screaming after she was clearly established in the films.

If they hadn't put her in First Contact and kept the Borg as they were in the episode Q Who they would have been far scarier.. But yeah they did that.

So the Cybermen can have Cyber-Kings, Cyber-Queens, Cyber-Controllers and the Daleks can have Emperors and Davros...

...But the Borg can't?

 

[BillJ]

So the Cybermen can have Cyber-Kings, Cyber-Queens, Cyber-Controllers and the Daleks can have Emperors and Davros...

...But the Borg can't?

Sure the Borg can. But when they did it, they turned the Borg from a force of nature into a pretty bad "B-rate" villain.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

So the Cybermen can have Cyber-Kings, Cyber-Queens, Cyber-Controllers and the Daleks can have Emperors and Davros...

...But the Borg can't?

Sure the Borg can. But when they did it, they turned the Borg from a force of nature into a pretty bad "B-rate" villain.

What he said.

Adding the queen turned them into a joke. And Voyager kept dumbing them down and nerfing them.

 

[Anwar]

So the Cybermen can have Cyber-Kings, Cyber-Queens, Cyber-Controllers and the Daleks can have Emperors and Davros...

...But the Borg can't?

Sure the Borg can. But when they did it, they turned the Borg from a force of nature into a pretty bad "B-rate" villain.

"Force of Nature" villains are unsustainable anyways. So it was inevitable.

 

[The Wormhole]

Who said the NX-01 was forgotten?

It wasn't forgotten. In the movie Into Darkness there's a model of her on the long desk with other ships also called Enterprise in the admiral's office..

Also a goof. A model of the Vengeance which shouldn't have been there as it spoils the big reveal..

Actually, the Vengeance model was intentionally put there. It was meant to be foreshadowing.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Who said the NX-01 was forgotten?

It wasn't forgotten. In the movie Into Darkness there's a model of her on the long desk with other ships also called Enterprise in the admiral's office..

Also a goof. A model of the Vengeance which shouldn't have been there as it spoils the big reveal..

Actually, the Vengeance model was intentionally put there. It was meant to be foreshadowing.

I felt it was clumsy

 

[Terok Nor]

Into Darkness was made AFTER Enterprise. Of course they slipped it in. It doesn't take away from the fact TOS, TNG, DS9 and Voyager never made one reference to this supposedly legendary ship. The writers failed so completely to reconcile Enterprise with the other shows that they resorted to having the final episode set during a TNG episode where Riker and Troi reference the series repeatedly. And even that episode doesn't fit into the continuity of the TNG episode in question.