What is THE Worst continuity error in Trek history..?!

[Nerys Myk]

Does resurrecting dead threads happen more around Halloween?

I blame Herbert West.

 

[Captain Rob]

OK correction. One would have to omit Star Trek:TMP because of Deckers line about the Voyager 6 probe that launched from Earth 300 years ago.
So therefore it is TOS and TAS that takes place in the 22nd century.

Oops, that's incorrect.
A fictional Voyager 6 was said to have launched in the 1980's. Which is the 20th Century. TMP is supposedly set in 2272. Almost exactly three hundred years later. The 23rd Century.
We are currently living in 2015. The 21st Century.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

Well that's my point that Star Trek:The Motion Picture cannot possibly take place in the same universe as Star Trek TOS or TAS due to the fact that the TOS and the TAS takes place in the 22nd century. Also if TMP and all of the Star Trek movies take place in a parallel Universe but all of the movies on the on the same timeline this would explain Vulcan having moons, different Klingon apperences with ridges and bumps and of course Decker saying that Voyager 6 was launched in the 20th century some 300 years ago at the time of TMP 2273. Also every other movie inconsitancy to the TOS and the TAS.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well that's my point that Star Trek:The Motion Picture cannot possibly take place in the same universe as Star Trek TOS or TAS due to the fact that the TOS and the TAS takes place in the 22nd century.

What's your source for TOS taking place in the 22nd century?

 

[Lt. Tyler]

Oh watch the TOS there are a handful of episodes that say this. Plus search this forum others have gone over it many times with quotes from many episodes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well that's my point that Star Trek:The Motion Picture cannot possibly take place in the same universe as Star Trek TOS or TAS due to the fact that the TOS and the TAS takes place in the 22nd century.

What's your source for TOS taking place in the 22nd century?

Probably

KHAN: How long?
KIRK: How long have you been sleeping? Two centuries we estimate. Landing party to Enterprise. Come in.

FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking.
KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it.
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.

 

[MacLeod]

Well the funny thing is, if you only consider TOS as canon and ignore the rest of the spin-offs and movies with the exception of TMP, then Star Trek TOS takes place in the 22nd century and not the 23 century.

Whilst we are more than happy to discuss continuity errors and your new here, so just some friendly advice to let you know resurecting long dead threads is generally frowned upon,it's better to start a new thread on the subject Any way welcome to the boards and hopefully your time here will be long and fruitful.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

Well that's my point that Star Trek:The Motion Picture cannot possibly take place in the same universe as Star Trek TOS or TAS due to the fact that the TOS and the TAS takes place in the 22nd century.

What's your source for TOS taking place in the 22nd century?

Probably

KHAN: How long?
KIRK: How long have you been sleeping? Two centuries we estimate. Landing party to Enterprise. Come in.

FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking.
KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it.
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.

Exactly. Thank you

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Well that's my point that Star Trek:The Motion Picture cannot possibly take place in the same universe as Star Trek TOS or TAS due to the fact that the TOS and the TAS takes place in the 22nd century.

What's your source for TOS taking place in the 22nd century?

Probably

KHAN: How long?
KIRK: How long have you been sleeping? Two centuries we estimate. Landing party to Enterprise. Come in.

FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking.
KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it.
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.

1) With respect to Khan, he was launched in the late 20th century. So, early 23rd century is still just a smidge over 200 years.

2) With respect to "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," well, add enough sarcasm into what Kirk's saying, and a few hundred years give or take would be accurate enough. It's not like he'd be meaning to tell them exactly when he's from anyway. More like, it's a joke for his own personal amusement. So, I can't take Kirk's remark there as definitive, and it's not any kind of stretch to discount its literal truth.

No, the greater problem between these two is by far from "Space Seed." However, pinning down TOS to the 23rd century isn't the problem here. The real problem is when in the 23rd century.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

The Kirk line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, how can that be a joke he was 100 years off?? Plus Space Seed plus The Savage Curtain and so on it is 200 years difference over and over again.

 

[Nerys Myk]

What's your source for TOS taking place in the 22nd century?

Probably

FELLINI: All right, Kirk. Maybe this will make you laugh. Sabotage, espionage, unauthorised entry, burglary. How are those for starters? And I can think up lots more if you don't start talking.
KIRK: All right, Colonel. The truth is, I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place. You ought to see it.
FELLINI: I am going to lock you up for two hundred years.
KIRK: That ought to be just about right.

Exactly. Thank you

But those are contradicted by

TRELANE: I can't tell you how delighted I am to have visitors from the very planet that I've made my hobby. Yes, but according to my observations, I didn't think you capable of such voyages.
JAEGER: Notice the period, Captain. Nine hundred light years from Earth. It's what might be seen through a viewing scope if it were powerful enough.
TRELANE: Ah, yes. I've been looking in on the doings on your lively little Earth.
KIRK: Then you've been looking in on the doings nine hundred years past.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Kirk line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, how can that be a joke he was 100 years off??

The 23rd century is closer to 200 years from the late 1960s than to 300 years. I'm sorry, but if you're counting in hundreds of years, 200 years is really just about right to get into the 23rd century from the late 1960s; it doesn't get any closer than that.

Plus Space Seed plus The Savage Curtain and so on it is 200 years difference over and over again.

From "The Savage Curtain", I get:

SCOTT: Lincoln died three centuries ago on a planet hundreds of light years away.

Alright, well, again, the problem is that 1865 is less than 350 years from the 23rd century, the first year of which is 2201. So, the date of President Lincoln's death can be closer to three centuries in the past than to four, if TOS takes place some time in the 23rd century. I'll cut Scotty some slack, given that it could even be over 350 years.

Still, so far, the biggest problem is "Space Seed." IMO, of these, that's the time when greater precision is most likely indicated.

Oh, yeah, and "The Squire of Gothos," which is really a much bigger problem.

 

[Jedman67]

The Kirk line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, how can that be a joke he was 100 years off??

The 23rd century is closer to 200 years from the late 1960s than to 300 years. I'm sorry, but if you're counting in hundreds of years, 200 years is really just about right to get into the 23rd century from the late 1960s; it doesn't get any closer than that.

1960+200 = 2160. Saying 2 centuries is still a little problematic.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

The Kirk line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, how can that be a joke he was 100 years off??

The 23rd century is closer to 200 years from the late 1960s than to 300 years. I'm sorry, but if you're counting in hundreds of years, 200 years is really just about right to get into the 23rd century from the late 1960s; it doesn't get any closer than that.

1960+200 = 2160. Saying 2 centuries is still a little problematic.

The 23rd century is closer to 200 years than to 300 years from that point. If Kirk had been speaking in a context when it might be absurd for him to be agreeing with a round figure, I'd agree with you.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

OK 2169 minus 3 centuries = 1865 pretty much.

 

[uniderth]

Maybe futuristic space centuries are counted with years totaling 547 earth days. But Kirk uses earth years to determine the yearly reference point. So basically earth year 1865 is three galactic centuries away from the earth year 2266.

 

[MacLeod]

The Kirk line in Tomorrow Is Yesterday, how can that be a joke he was 100 years off??

The 23rd century is closer to 200 years from the late 1960s than to 300 years. I'm sorry, but if you're counting in hundreds of years, 200 years is really just about right to get into the 23rd century from the late 1960s; it doesn't get any closer than that.

1960+200 = 2160. Saying 2 centuries is still a little problematic.

Lets take the line in context, Kirk was replying to someone who said two hundred years given the situation would you really expect him to argue the point that it was closer to three hundred years. Kirk was from the 23rd century, so two hundreds would be reasonable close to get back to the 23rd century. If we are talking in terms of centuries.

Another thing in Scotty's favour how well would he know The history of America and it's Presidents?

 

[BillJ]

My pick has to be the time/speed/distance thing. Going by TOS "That Which Survives" and the movie STV: TFF, the old Enterprise could have made Voyager's journey or crossed the distance of the wormhole in a month or less. That renders the ENTIRE PREMISE of both spin-offs moot! They can't possibly coexist in the same continuity.

Don't forget that the Enterprise was suppose to be able to cover 2.7 million light-years in roughly three hundred years in "Where No One Has Gone Before".

LAFORGE: Well, sir, according to these calculations, we've not only left our own galaxy, but passed through two others, ending up on the far side of Triangulum. The galaxy known as M Thirty Three.
PICARD: That's not possible. Data, what distance have we travelled?
DATA: Two million seven hundred thousand light years.
PICARD: I can't accept that.
DATA: You must, sir. Our comparisons show it to be completely accurate.
LAFORGE: And I calculate that at maximum warp, sir it would take over three hundred years to get home.

 

[uniderth]

My pick has to be the time/speed/distance thing. Going by TOS "That Which Survives" and the movie STV: TFF, the old Enterprise could have made Voyager's journey or crossed the distance of the wormhole in a month or less. That renders the ENTIRE PREMISE of both spin-offs moot! They can't possibly coexist in the same continuity.

Don't forget that the Enterprise was suppose to be able to cover 2.7 million light-years in roughly three hundred years in "Where No One Has Gone Before".

LAFORGE: Well, sir, according to these calculations, we've not only left our own galaxy, but passed through two others, ending up on the far side of Triangulum. The galaxy known as M Thirty Three.
PICARD: That's not possible. Data, what distance have we travelled?
DATA: Two million seven hundred thousand light years.
PICARD: I can't accept that.
DATA: You must, sir. Our comparisons show it to be completely accurate.
LAFORGE: And I calculate that at maximum warp, sir it would take over three hundred years to get home.

Well, he does say "over three hundred years." One Million years is over three hundred years. So there's a lot of leeway as to how many years it would actually take.

 

[Lt. Tyler]

I believe that ENT-TNG-DS9 and VOY existing in the same universe. However, Where No Man Has Gone Before, TOS-TAS may in fact takes place in its own universe. Not sure how many would agree with me. Makes the most sense when you are talking about Klingon appearances. Phase pistols. Vulcan having moons in TMP. Cloaking devices used in ENT. And so on and so fourth. BUT I fully know and recongnize that all Trek TV Series and Movies ARE cannon just in this way in these parallel universes.