I like this and think it would have gone a long way to changing the feel of the series.
Robert Beltran complains... forever!
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I like this and think it would have gone a long way to changing the feel of the series.
I think what bothers me the most about Beltran is this: Because he's complaining so much, how can we be sure he did the best job he could? An actor who doesn't want to be there isn't going to put forth as much effort as one who actively enjoys the job.
Why those constant attacks on Beltran?
In my eyes, he's a hero!
Why?
Because he had the guts to stand up to the jerks who ran the show and tell them what he thought about them messing up everything.
I don't know if all the quotes in the "gripe generator" are true Beltran comments or just made up. But I did find myself agreeing with almost all of them.
Agreed. Beltran was speaking as person who saw the potential of the series and the writers continue to blow it.
Beltran was phoning it in from Day One, he never took his work on VOY seriously and blew any chances the writers gave him.
That they went around exploring and trying to make allies was something the show got criticized for, not something that the audience said they should've been doing more of.
The crew felt more like meddlers than heroes, plus the way writers continue to have holodeck stories seemed they ignore the theme the crew of Voyager needed to preserve energy for their long journey home. "Get their heads out of their asses." Indeed.
The Holodeck was for morale purposes, which is essential to keeping things going on a long-term mission.
I remember Dawson on a episode of JAG, it was a joy seeing her without the Klingon makeup. While her character was very serious, she was more of a "real person" than BeLanna.
Watching it made me wish that BeLanna wasn't always so angry.
Overall I liked the character but I got tired of her continuing journey of self acceptance.
Disagree. You should read this text, where Robert beltran says:
Its from this site http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/star-treks-robert-beltran-voyager-regrets.html
You should also read this http://www.startrek.com/article/catching-up-with-robert-beltran-part-1
If they earn as much as Beltran did then yes, I'd call them hypocrites. It's one thing to be stuck in a shitty minum wage job but even if they work for scale (and I doubt Beltran did that) a series regular still makes thousands of dollars per week! That's a pretty sweet deal and most actors would jump at the opportunity in a second.
Beltran is right that the writing wasn't very good for him and they didn't do much with his character and I understand if he was frustrated but apparently the job was still good enough for him to re-sign after his contract was up. There's also the fact that he's still able to earn money with Star Trek by doing conventions, being a cast member gave him a source of income years after the show ended. So even if his complaints are legitimate, venting publically and then turning around selling autographs is hypocritical.
And Kate Mulgrew didn't know Star Trek either, and probably most of them didn't know Star Trek.
It's not like this is a highly nuanced series about some religious political subgroup that you can fuck up the rendition of by doing zero background research.
It's not like this is a highly nuanced series about some religious political subgroup that you can fuck up the rendition of by doing zero background research.
Just thought that you would like to read this...
Source: “The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years: From The Next Generation to J. J. Abrams: The Complete, Uncensored, and Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek”
So if Braga didn't stand Beltran, why not to have insist to ride off the latter in S7... like the producers (well, Brennan alone) did with Terry Farrell?!
Source: “The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years: From The Next Generation to J. J. Abrams: The Complete, Uncensored, and Unauthorized Oral History of Star Trek”
So if Braga didn't stand Beltran, why not to have insist to ride off the latter in S7... like the producers (well, Brennan alone) did with Terry Farrell?!
I think the character had so little drama to him killing him off wouldn't have done much.
Do you think this Mr Braga comes across as professional himself though? Sounds like he was part of the problem.
Probably jealous..
One writer does not a casting decision make, thank goodness. I don't care so much about the behind the scenes stuff but Voyager benefited from all its characters, including Chakotay.
Probably jealous..
One writer does not a casting decision make, thank goodness. I don't care so much about the behind the scenes stuff but Voyager benefited from all its characters, including Chakotay.
These stories about Beltran's deep boredom and phoning it in have been around from more sources than one book. And let's not forget his own words, which have been many.
Number one source though is the actual performance.
They wrote a lot of Doctor eps because Picardo was a great actor and lit up the screen.
As to jealous I do hope you're kidding. It's not like Beltran went on to a shining career and Braga is dumpster diving with Braxton.
Number one source though is the actual performance.
They wrote a lot of Doctor eps because Picardo was a great actor and lit up the screen.
As to jealous I do hope you're kidding. It's not like Beltran went on to a shining career and Braga is dumpster diving with Braxton.
That writer still sounds like he was making it personal to me. That isn't at all professional. I wonder what tattle tale can be sourced about him? Ooo flick.. I see some mud flying around.
I don't mind Chakotay, he's good looking. He seemed spiritual and.. good looking.
I don't mind Chakotay, he's good looking. He seemed spiritual and.. good looking.
Braga wasn't a single writer, he was the showrunner and executive producer for a good chunk of the series.
I will take back my observation about him being unprofessional as a single writer. He apparently was unprofessional as a single writer, show runner, and executive producer too. He couldn't bring himself to phone in his writing because he wanted to believe the actor was phoning in his acting?
Childish much?
Just caught up on Wikipedia and he (Braga) is kind of ordinary .. visually. However he went out with the actress who played Seven. I can hear the penny dropping. Beltran criticized the Seven character getting too much airtime.. wonder why? What an amazing co-incidence the girlfriend of the writer gets all the stories and the actor criticizing this situation doesn't.
Childish much?
Just caught up on Wikipedia and he (Braga) is kind of ordinary .. visually. However he went out with the actress who played Seven. I can hear the penny dropping. Beltran criticized the Seven character getting too much airtime.. wonder why? What an amazing co-incidence the girlfriend of the writer gets all the stories and the actor criticizing this situation doesn't.
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By his own admission he didn't even read scripts
At least, the production would have been able to save money generated by Beltran's absence or better, to re-use the saving in giving a chance to secondary actors to exist and fill the hole let by Chakotay's absence...
-> I learnt that Mulgrew's salary, which was the higher throughout the series besides, was $60K/episode and Wang's was the lowest - because he was a young newbie in the profession - with about $30K/episode, what means that Beltran was expected to be with about $45K-50K/episode. Of course, it takes into account increases due to the 2 series of renewal of contracts wich took place between the seasons 3 and 7. But anyway, for someone (Beltran) who didn't make the effort to read the scripts/to learn his lines anymore, it was a crazy paid!
Paid, which would have justified some professionalism and decency from his part, don't you think?! And this was also true for Wang!As I have already said it before, even if some of his criticisms had an element of truth, there is a moment where he should have made a choice, seeing that he wasn't heard : to shut up and to wait quietly the end of the serie or to leave and pursue his criticisms towards producers, writers, colleagues and fans. Instead of that, Beltran decided to play it both ways, hoping that producers would eventually get fed and fire him, which would have offered to him, the right to bring an action for damages for wrongful dismissal and a lot of money at the end. It's a shabby behavior. Period!
"L'homme passionné par son travail n'a pas le sentiment de travailler" ("The man who is passionated by his work, has no feeling to work"
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