Jennifer Lien In Legal Trouble Again
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The idea that this is about America's prudish attitude to the naked human body is disingenuous.
If you were in the garden with your kids and your neighbour started verbally abusing you and being generally weird as shit in a threatening manner then started pulling up their top to show you and the kids their tits, then pulling down their trousers to show you and the kids their arse... you would not go back inside and think "thank goodness my attitude to nudity is progressive and that sort of thing doesn't bother me."
Bullshit... you'd think, my neighbour is a fucking serious concern.
She did something wrong. How they deal with it is the issue now.
If you were in the garden with your kids and your neighbour started verbally abusing you and being generally weird as shit in a threatening manner then started pulling up their top to show you and the kids their tits, then pulling down their trousers to show you and the kids their arse... you would not go back inside and think "thank goodness my attitude to nudity is progressive and that sort of thing doesn't bother me."
Bullshit... you'd think, my neighbour is a fucking serious concern.
She did something wrong. How they deal with it is the issue now.
Who said she didn't?
Most people just thought professional help makes more sense than jail.
Most people just thought professional help makes more sense than jail.
Conversations on any topic tend to ramble, and as there is not much more to say about Ms. Lien's situation other than "I hope she gets help", I can see how people might feel inclined to discuss other things tangentially connected to the main topic.
I imagine that a child was on the front lawn alone and screaming in pain or terror or sadness. Jennifer starts yelling into the house to tell the parents who are neglecting their children to stop neglecting their children. The parent bounds out and calls her a fat slut in a tiny dress who needs to hide her tits better, so how dare she advise her on how to be a parent since her kid ran away to another state rather than deal with her fat ass.
If that's how this started, then the only help Jennifer needs is a real estate agent.
If that's how this started, then the only help Jennifer needs is a real estate agent.
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That is conflating two separate issues, or maybe three - violence, sex, and nudity. Nudity wouldn't have the power and shock value without the prudish and puritans to support it. The offense here is the behavior trying to find the best tool they believe will offend. It's pretty much the same with the use of specific words. Take the power out of the word and you own it. The guy who got his girlfriend badly hurt in a recent news story because of his testosteronic response to an insult sent their way is a good example of how to stupidly escalate a situation. Some say those offended by humor or words - or nudity - deserve to be offended. Bullying, violence or physical threats, however, are another matter.
I'm putting the flashing into context. It's part of the abuse she's throwing at the neighbour (peoples views on the offensiveness of the naked body are irrelevant here). It's about the general threatening nature of her behaviour. If she's labelled as a sex offender or a threat to children because of it then that's absurd but I've yet to see any evidence that that will actually happen.
So far, people seem to be making the assumption that this (naked body) aspect of the abuse will be viewed as sexual based purely on the belief that Americans are... inbred yokels with no capacity for common sense. I'm slightly surprised that so many Americans on here feel content with this interpretation.
But again, I don't see why that's relevant. We're not talking about Lien sunbathing naked and the neighbours complaining. We're talking about her ranting and raving and being aggressive (whilst getting her norks out).
The media might be playing up the paedo angle but I've yet to see anything that suggests the law will (even in the backwoods of America).
People being referred to by the N word deserve to be offended? Words and actions can be more powerful depending on the context in which they're used. Naked body parts in the context of verbally abusing a neighbour are more powerful than naked body parts being seen on a beach.
Aggression is a good way to put it. That's where the problem behavior lies and it is unacceptable. People say she needs help. That seems reasonable.
I find hope in this analysis. I live in the United States and the cynicism is warranted. It would be great if this awareness results in a larger movement to overthrow said inbred yokels with overwhelming common sense and tolerance.
Why don't we just invoke some corollary of Godwin's Law on that hyperbole. That sort of rebuttal is the type employed by the same people who replace intellect and common sense with zero-tolerance and inbred yokels who would indeed label Lien as a sex offender.
If Lien winds up on the sex offender registry because of this incident, then that assumption will have been vindicated.
I really have no idea where "inbred yokels" is coming from. Use of the phrase "inbred yokels" seems really inappropriate, frankly.
From what I see, the people who are assuming that the offense will be treated as some sort of sex crime are making that assumption based on knowledge of how other similar incidents have been handled and/or mishandled in the recent past in the US. We'll just have to see how this particular incident plays out.
But were the neighbours really offended (detrimentally)?
Were they scared for their safety?
The article describes that the neighbours were afraid of "escalation".
Was it their physical-safety, afraid that Jennifer's next step was to start burning down houses, or was it their eyeball-safety at stake, because if it's first a boob, then some ass, surely it's a bucket of clunge next.
Were they scared for their safety?
The article describes that the neighbours were afraid of "escalation".
Was it their physical-safety, afraid that Jennifer's next step was to start burning down houses, or was it their eyeball-safety at stake, because if it's first a boob, then some ass, surely it's a bucket of clunge next.
You assert that some people feel that people being offended by mere words are people who deserve to be offended. I assert that those people are moronic. The world keeps turning.
It's curious to witness one group of Americans express such a judgemental opinion regarding another group of Americans. I keep forgetting there's two countries and cultures at work within the whole. Poor Lincoln had his work cut out.
More likely it was... "she'll do it again tomorrow if we don't call the cops" safety
Granted, but that's hardly an accurate definition of "Escalation".
Since we talked about the US prison system, this is something I got today and I think it sums up the problems quite accurately:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAaIoZZFJY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAaIoZZFJY
It is if it's never happened before. Even if they've had problems , evidently this was something new to their disagreements.
And if they never so much as spoken a cross word to each other, then it's definitely a case of escalation.
People do tend to get a bit twitchy when angry, shouting neighbours turn their attention to their kids... even without naked boobs being wagged around. What's happened is probably better than the two getting into a fistfight and somone else calling the cops on them.
I was questioning the language that was used, not that Jennifer wasn't acting like a dangerous fool.
They said that they feared escalation AFTER the public verbal fight that involved a little flashing.
If her nieghbour said that she didn't like what happened, so it was time to call the police, that is fine, I wouldn't like that happening, or I would, it's fricking Kes, but if it was a normal crazy cat lady I probably wouldn't like being threatened, or I would, from a distance, because trainwrecks are pretty fricking entertaining spectacles.
Where was I?
I'm starting to think that this is really about breastfeeding.
"Hey! Your kid is obviously hungry, if you take a tit out and feed her, she'll stop yapping."
"I don't want to go inside, I'll feed her inside the house, I can't breast feed in public, it's immodest and indecent. She can starve until I am good and ready to go inside."
They said that they feared escalation AFTER the public verbal fight that involved a little flashing.
If her nieghbour said that she didn't like what happened, so it was time to call the police, that is fine, I wouldn't like that happening, or I would, it's fricking Kes, but if it was a normal crazy cat lady I probably wouldn't like being threatened, or I would, from a distance, because trainwrecks are pretty fricking entertaining spectacles.
Where was I?
I'm starting to think that this is really about breastfeeding.
"Hey! Your kid is obviously hungry, if you take a tit out and feed her, she'll stop yapping."
"I don't want to go inside, I'll feed her inside the house, I can't breast feed in public, it's immodest and indecent. She can starve until I am good and ready to go inside."
Did the neighbours know who she was?
If my neighbour started wafting their spotty bottom at me, I would be inclined to whip out my phone and capture that golden moment. If I lived next door to a celebrity, i'd be be screaming... "where's my fucking phone!...where's my fucking phone!...the fat guy from Street Hawk is waving his hairy arse at me!"
If my neighbour started wafting their spotty bottom at me, I would be inclined to whip out my phone and capture that golden moment. If I lived next door to a celebrity, i'd be be screaming... "where's my fucking phone!...where's my fucking phone!...the fat guy from Street Hawk is waving his hairy arse at me!"
If Kathy Giffen is on the D-List, then Jennifer Lien is on the N-list.
