Star Trek Continues, Episode 5....

[Zaminhon]

Apparently the crew member who played the female security guard in Lolani is back for this one, she was actually pretty good. well, the actress has actually been in all their épisodes, but only as an extra in the others. But she should play the same redshirt again. I'd much rather see her than Kipleigh Brown.

I liked Kipleigh in both of her episodes. She reminds me a bit of Lt. Bailey in The Corbomite Maneuver, sort of on the high-strung side.

 

[Bixby]

It looks like it's going to be another winner. Every TOS beat is there and then some.

What do you mean by this? Have you actually seen the full episode, Zaminhon?

 

[Warped9]

It looks like it's going to be another winner. Every TOS beat is there and then some.

What do you mean by this? Have you actually seen the full episode, Zaminhon?

I doubt that. I got another email today saying that backers will get to see the full episode a day earlier than the broader release, but also asking not to reveal anything spoilerish until after the broader release.

The teaser we've seen so far starts off right in the midst of something going. Whether it's the actual opening teaser or two clips spliced together I can't say so I'll have to wait a week to find out. But it's definitely got a measure of impact.

 

[Zaminhon]

It looks like it's going to be another winner. Every TOS beat is there and then some.

What do you mean by this? Have you actually seen the full episode, Zaminhon?

I was referring only to the pacing and editing of the teaser and based on that, predict that this episode will be another winner.

 

[JE Smith]

There is one road I hope they don't go down, but I can't say what that is since it could itself be spoilerish.

Same here. I have to be honest, the last shot(s) of the teaser made me go "Oh, geez -- seriously??" Without being spoilery, let's just say it's superficially similar to another fan film probably everyone here has seen. I love this series, and have hope that they can make it something distinctive. It's got the usual exemplary production values, of course, but the direction the teaser points does not fill me with huge amounts of confidence. Will be anxiously awaiting seeing the full episode in a week's time.

 

[USS Intrepid]

There is one road I hope they don't go down, but I can't say what that is since it could itself be spoilerish.

Same here. I have to be honest, the last shot(s) of the teaser made go "Oh, geez -- seriously??" Without being spoilery, let's just say it's superficially similar to another fan film probably everyone here has seen. I love this series, and have hope that they can make it something distinctive. It's got the usual exemplary production values, of course, but the direction the teaser points does not fill me with huge amounts of confidence. Will be anxiously awaiting seeing the full episode in a week's time.

I had a similar reaction.

Also, a Voyager reference? Thought they weren't doing that stuff?

 

[Warped9]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

 

[USS Intrepid]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

There is a definite Voyager reference in there. It's just a throwaway, and I don't mind those things at all, but I thought it was interesting considering previous comments.

I don't want to post spoilers, since they've asked people not to.

 

[Michael]

So, how and where can the interested viewer watch the teaser of the next episode?

 

[Warped9]

So, how and where can the interested viewer watch the teaser of the next episode?

I suppose it would require someone who did get the email with link and password to share it with you.

It might or might not be the episode's actual opening teaser, but it certainly sets you up feeling, "What the hell is going on?"

It's gonna be a long week.

There is a definite Voyager reference in there. It's just a throwaway, and I don't mind those things at all, but I thought it was interesting considering previous comments.

I don't want to post spoilers, since they've asked people not to.

Now I get the reference (I looked it up based on a hunch). Yeah, it's vague enough and sufficiently throwawy (I hope). But it does go back to what I was saying about continuity callouts.

Man, don't these people read and watch anything other than Trek? And do they assume fans don't read and watch anything else either?


A couple of screencaps from the Ep.5 teaser that don't give anything away.

 

[Karzak]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

You should point these grievances out on STC's Facebook page. Perhaps they just don't know they are treading so far out of TOS waters?

 

[Zaminhon]

I have no problem with references to species, planetary systems or historical events for continuity in the Trek universe. Who is to say in the imaginary time travel machine, which is STC, that these things weren't first established in seasons 4 and 5 and ripped off by TNG, V'Ger and DS9? Instead, I would prefer looking at it that the Trek Universe is large enough to incorporate all, as long as there is some sort of established timeline and continuity between incarnations.

 

[DCR]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

You should point these grievances out on STC's Facebook page. Perhaps they just don't know they are treading so far out of TOS waters?

I find that hard to believe, especially since the very first scene of the first full episode took a significant step out of TOS waters. I don't want to rehash the whole holodeck/recreation room argument, but when the very first thing you see is something that never appeared on screen in TOS, it's pretty clear that the rest of the series is also going to diverge from TOS as well.

While STC does a fantastic job of recreating the look of TOS, many of the episodes feel to me like the inverse of those TNG first season episodes where they took scripts written for the original PII and filmed them with the TNG cast. For me STC comes across as the reverse, with TOS characters in scripts that feel like they were written for TNG sensibilities.

I'm looking forward to the episode when it finally hits the public eye, but I'm expecting TNG elements, too.

 

[Warped9]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

You should point these grievances out on STC's Facebook page. Perhaps they just don't know they are treading so far out of TOS waters?

I find that hard to believe, especially since the very first scene of the first full episode took a significant step out of TOS waters. I don't want to rehash the whole holodeck/recreation room argument, but when the very first thing you see is something that never appeared on screen in TOS, it's pretty clear that the rest of the series is also going to diverge from TOS as well.

While STC does a fantastic job of recreating the look of TOS, many of the episodes feel to me like the inverse of those TNG first season episodes where they took scripts written for the original PII and filmed them with the TNG cast. For me STC comes across as the reverse, with TOS characters in scripts that feel like they were written for TNG sensibilities.

I'm looking forward to the episode when it finally hits the public eye, but I'm expecting TNG elements, too.

I feel this could tie in with the thread I started in the TOS forum based on a link I provided to an article looking at the evolution of Liberalism in the Trek universe. Liberalism as practiced in TOS is different than it was in TNG. And STC does seem to be more like TNG in that regard then how it would have been written back in the '60s.

 

[USS Intrepid]

I have no problem with references to species, planetary systems or historical events for continuity in the Trek universe. Who is to say in the imaginary time travel machine, which is STC, that these things weren't first established in seasons 4 and 5 and ripped off by TNG, V'Ger and DS9? Instead, I would prefer looking at it that the Trek Universe is large enough to incorporate all, as long as there is some sort of established timeline and continuity between incarnations.

For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with it either, but it does fly in the face of their stated intentions.

 

[Warped9]

I have no problem with references to species, planetary systems or historical events for continuity in the Trek universe. Who is to say in the imaginary time travel machine, which is STC, that these things weren't first established in seasons 4 and 5 and ripped off by TNG, V'Ger and DS9? Instead, I would prefer looking at it that the Trek Universe is large enough to incorporate all, as long as there is some sort of established timeline and continuity between incarnations.

For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with it either, but it does fly in the face of their stated intentions.

This is indeed a bone of contention for me as well. They are being sly by keeping certain references vague, but they are continuity callouts all the same.

 

[BigJake]

I suppose it would require someone who did get the email with link and password to share it with you.

I don't suppose there's any form of bribery that could... facilitate this?

(On the holodeck thing -- no, it's not TOS, but I have no problem with their "grandfathering" it in. The idea appeared in Trek as early as The Animated Series and theoretically could have appeared sooner -- given that it was based on a holography lab that was founded in '64 -- if chance had brought Roddenberry and Gene Dolgoff together earlier. That's assuming that this account of its origins is accurate, but even if there's a detail or two off there I think it would still be fair to say that the concept isn't totally alien to the period in which Trek was filmed.)

 

[DCR]

I have no problem with references to species, planetary systems or historical events for continuity in the Trek universe. Who is to say in the imaginary time travel machine, which is STC, that these things weren't first established in seasons 4 and 5 and ripped off by TNG, V'Ger and DS9? Instead, I would prefer looking at it that the Trek Universe is large enough to incorporate all, as long as there is some sort of established timeline and continuity between incarnations.

For what it's worth, I don't have a problem with it either, but it does fly in the face of their stated intentions.

That's really where I come in. I think STC has done some really fun things with elements that weren't part of the original series, but I do see the dichotomy between introducing elements from later series and the statements that they're seeking to exactly replicate TOS to the best of their ability.

 

[GSchnitzer]

^^ What VOY reference? I didn't pick up on anything like that and I've seen the teaser three times.

So far STC has earned sufficient cred for me to give them a fair chance before making any assumptions that could be totally wrong. Suffice to say I'm quite eager to see how this story unfolds.


Regarding continuity callouts. All fan productions do it in varying degree with some much less than others. But I wish STC in particular would just stop it. If there's anything that smacks of being a fan film it's this practice of continuity callouts. When you watch the original productions, particularly TOS and a lot of TNG, you rarely heard such things. Stop trying to be cute.

The use of language in something like a TOS fanfilm is also difficult to defend against, but every so often I hear words and terminology used in a way that I doubt we heard anywhere in TOS. In particular I'm thinking of "The White Iris" when they were discussing trying to reprogram this new planetary defense system. Some of the terminology used seemed somewhat out of place. Perhaps it's a small thing, but it stuck out to me.

Another instance was this referring to ships by class. We saw this in TNG and later, but never in TOS. In TOS and such reference was generic such as a J-class cargo ship or a Class F shuttlecraft, but we never heard a Klingon ship referenced as anything other than a warship or a battle cruiser. But twice STC has referred to alien ships by a specific name class and it really smacks of Berman era Trek. And it's really another form of continuity callout. Please, stop it.

You should point these grievances out on STC's Facebook page. Perhaps they just don't know they are treading so far out of TOS waters?

I find that hard to believe, especially since the very first scene of the first full episode took a significant step out of TOS waters. I don't want to rehash the whole holodeck/recreation room argument, but when the very first thing you see is something that never appeared on screen in TOS, it's pretty clear that the rest of the series is also going to diverge from TOS as well.

While STC does a fantastic job of recreating the look of TOS, many of the episodes feel to me like the inverse of those TNG first season episodes where they took scripts written for the original PII and filmed them with the TNG cast. For me STC comes across as the reverse, with TOS characters in scripts that feel like they were written for TNG sensibilities.

I'm looking forward to the episode when it finally hits the public eye, but I'm expecting TNG elements, too.

I hear what you are saying about TNG-style stories put into a TOS-era. Just a reminder though that only two P2 scripts were repurposed for TNG: "The Child" and "Devil's Due." Neither was first season. (They were second and fourth, respectively.)

 

[JE Smith]

Steve Gallagher, one of the best writers of '80s-era Doctor Who, once wrote an essay taking the series to task for some of it's lazy scripts. This is not a direct quote, as I don't have the essay handy, but he said, essentially, "There is a whole, rich history of science fiction novels, stories, and movies to steal from. There's no need to steal from earlier Doctor Who."

This is essentially how I feel about all fan films referencing actual elements from canon, aka fanwank.

Also, I don't give a flying crap if any particular fan series "feels" like it was produced in 1966, 1987, 1995, 2009 or whenever. I couldn't care less. I just want to see well-written, entertaining stories set in this general universe.