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Avengers: Age of Ultron- Grading & Discussion (spoilerific)

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Wasn't Avatar the first $2 billion film, on its initial release?

I think they were talking about this year's movies.

Is there a list of movies that broke 2B since Avatar?

The only other movie to break to the 2 billion mark was Titanic and that was after it's 3D release. But it is amazing that three movie so far this year has broken the 1 billion mark and I suspect that Spectre, The Force Awakens and Mockingjay part II will join them.
 
I remember reading an article in Empire magazine a few years ago explaining why Titanic would probably be the only film ever to make over $1bn at the box office, due to the increase in DVD sales, etc. I think it was around 2001 when Pearl Harbor came out and failed to be the next Titanic.
How wrong they were! :)
 
I remember reading an article in Empire magazine a few years ago explaining why Titanic would probably be the only film ever to make over $1bn at the box office, due to the increase in DVD sales, etc. I think it was around 2001 when Pearl Harbor came out and failed to be the next Titanic.
How wrong they were! :)

I imagine that article was written before the explosion of IMAX and 3D showings, without which I doubt we'd be seeing so many movies making more than a 1 billion dollars.
 
Yeah it was. The changes to IMAX over the years has been interesting because here in Dublin an IMAX screen opened about twenty years ago (maybe a bit less) beside a new multiplex. But back then it was only showing the usual IMAX documentaries and closed within a few years. The multiplex expanded and took over the IMAX building with the former IMAX screen integrated into the multiplex as a standard, though large, screen. And then a few years ago the multiplex underwent a refurb and brought back an IMAX screen and started showing all the blockbusters on it.
 
I've read a couple stories now that said that Permutter kept a pretty tight hold on the money. It will be interesting to see how much of an effect this all has on what ends up on screen.

The problem with AOU wasn't its budget, which was more than enough. It felt too much like a rehash of the first Avengers. Too little happened. Outside of introducing a few new characters, it felt like a trailer for the next MCU movie to me.

I think it's possible that we're seeing some genre fatigue as well. Yeah, we all went and saw the movie, and we'll all probably go see the next one, too. But it's hard to get as excited about them when there are so many of them coming out so frequently, and after a while they all just sort of start to blur together.

I think the universe needs to invest a little more time in developing the characters and a little less time with Super Bad Guys trying to blow up the planet. My favorite part of AoU was the stuff about Hawkeye's family.
 
I've read a couple stories now that said that Permutter kept a pretty tight hold on the money. It will be interesting to see how much of an effect this all has on what ends up on screen.

The problem with AOU wasn't its budget, which was more than enough. It felt too much like a rehash of the first Avengers. Too little happened. Outside of introducing a few new characters, it felt like a trailer for the next MCU movie to me.

I think it's possible that we're seeing some genre fatigue as well. Yeah, we all went and saw the movie, and we'll all probably go see the next one, too. But it's hard to get as excited about them when there are so many of them coming out so frequently, and after a while they all just sort of start to blur together.

I think the universe needs to invest a little more time in developing the characters and a little less time with Super Bad Guys trying to blow up the planet. My favorite part of AoU was the stuff about Hawkeye's family.

AoU was hardly a failure, while the reaction of the fans was lukewarm it was still a major hit at the box office. The movie has it's faults but I don't tink it's a bad movie.
 
The problem with AOU wasn't its budget, which was more than enough. It felt too much like a rehash of the first Avengers. Too little happened. Outside of introducing a few new characters, it felt like a trailer for the next MCU movie to me.

I think it's possible that we're seeing some genre fatigue as well. Yeah, we all went and saw the movie, and we'll all probably go see the next one, too. But it's hard to get as excited about them when there are so many of them coming out so frequently, and after a while they all just sort of start to blur together.

I think the universe needs to invest a little more time in developing the characters and a little less time with Super Bad Guys trying to blow up the planet. My favorite part of AoU was the stuff about Hawkeye's family.

AoU was hardly a failure, while the reaction of the fans was lukewarm it was still a major hit at the box office. The movie has it's faults but I don't tink it's a bad movie.
That doesn't address a single thing I said.
 
I think it's possible that we're seeing some genre fatigue as well. Yeah, we all went and saw the movie, and we'll all probably go see the next one, too. But it's hard to get as excited about them when there are so many of them coming out so frequently, and after a while they all just sort of start to blur together.

I think the universe needs to invest a little more time in developing the characters and a little less time with Super Bad Guys trying to blow up the planet. My favorite part of AoU was the stuff about Hawkeye's family.

AoU was hardly a failure, while the reaction of the fans was lukewarm it was still a major hit at the box office. The movie has it's faults but I don't tink it's a bad movie.
That doesn't address a single thing I said.

Your claim of fatigue would work if the movie was a failure but clearly it wasn't. The next Avengers movie won't be fr another three years, the characters have gotten plentyof development in their own movies, but really so far there's no hint of people getting tired of MCU movies.
 
The next Avengers movie won't be fr another three years
Well, to be fair there's basically one out in 8 months time

(Cap: Civil War if your brains are hurting today. I get the feeling it will more or less be advertised as Avengers 2.5)
 
The next Avengers movie won't be fr another three years
Well, to be fair there's basically one out in 8 months time

(Cap: Civil War if your brains are hurting today. I get the feeling it will more or less be advertised as Avengers 2.5)

For established heroes such as Cap, who had their origin movie already, it doesn't matter because of the connection all Marvel movies now share since phase 2. There will be more and more seamless introductions of new characters in other movies such as Klaw who featured in AoU and will be one of the main villains in Black Panther.

Speaking of which he will feature in Cap 3 and so on.. each new hero will have his own movie to expand on his character and story but as the movie progress it will become more and more like some high level soap opera where you miss some episodes and lose some details but are usually quickly caught up once you resume watching.

I think it's good that they benched Perlmutter and gave Feige some room.. as we all know Perlmutter is the quintessential numbers guy who could work in any branch and feel right at home but movies are a creative business where normal business practices don't always work.

When Terrence Howard was replaced in IM2 i thought this may be the first sign of Marvel fucking it all up by starting to penny pinch the franchise to death.. revenue over creativity. Fortunately Feige saved it and i'm glad that Disney sees it also like this and removed him from Perlmutter's influence so he can continue to deliver one hit after another.

AoU might not be as good as the first Avengers movie (though i mellowed a bit.. didn't like it much when i saw it in the movies but have seen it since and it's a bit better then i initially thought) but it still made a massive box office and any rumors to the contrary are either just rumors or a thin excuse to out Perlmutter and transfer Feige.
 
AoU was hardly a failure, while the reaction of the fans was lukewarm it was still a major hit at the box office. The movie has it's faults but I don't tink it's a bad movie.
That doesn't address a single thing I said.

Your claim of fatigue would work if the movie was a failure but clearly it wasn't. The next Avengers movie won't be fr another three years, the characters have gotten plentyof development in their own movies, but really so far there's no hint of people getting tired of MCU movies.
I was responding to the "lukewarm reaction" that AoU got by fans. Yes, it was a financial success, and yes, the next one will be a financial success as well. But at this point we've seen all these characters so many times basically doing the exact same thing in every single movie that it's hard to get excited about it anymore. We'll keep watching them, and we'll enjoy them, but it seems unlikely that any new installments will capture the magic of the first "Avengers" film, simply because the novelty has worn off.
 
We'll keep watching them, and we'll enjoy them, but it seems unlikely that any new installments will capture the magic of the first "Avengers" film, simply because the novelty has worn off.
IW Part 2 may, if it's the team up to end up all team ups and has EVERYONE in it.
 
We'll keep watching them, and we'll enjoy them, but it seems unlikely that any new installments will capture the magic of the first "Avengers" film, simply because the novelty has worn off.
IW Part 2 may, if it's the team up to end up all team ups and has EVERYONE in it.

Oh, it's certainly possible. But right now the whole thing is so formulaic. They're entertaining movies, but there's just so damn many of them right now that it's hard to get excited about any particular one.
 
I was responding to the "lukewarm reaction" that AoU got by fans.

It's got a fan score of 86% on Rotten Tomatoes and a critics score of 74% (certified fresh). If that's lukewarm, it's only by comparison to Avengers. Judged next to any other movie, it's still a very strong score.
 
I was plenty excited to see the characters again, it was the story that kept me from going back for more. Antman had more substance to it then AoU did, imo. Pretty freaking weak showing for the Flagship of the Franchise if you ask me.
 
You can always tell when you wander into the weird part of YouTube. :lol:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeZ_F1op9N8[/yt]
 
I think AoU was underwhelming for a lot of people. Nothing of substance really happens in the film, and it feels like filler. Conflate that, with AoU retreading a lot of the same ground as Avengers, and the entire experience doesn't leave you with much, but an entertaining way to spend a few hours.

I had this thought a few months ago. If you take away the likable cast of protagonists from AoU, and compare it to AoE (Transformers), is there a difference?
 
If you take away the likable cast of protagonists from AoU, and compare it to AoE (Transformers), is there a difference?
Better writing and a storyline that makes sense.

Ah but does AoU have a story? There are a lot of plot threads in AoU, but many of them either go nowhere, don't intersect or are there to set up future Marvel movies.

This is the biggest problem I had with AoU. Most of the stuff in the film, had little to do with the movie we paid to see.
 
I had this thought a few months ago. If you take away the likable cast of protagonists from AoU, and compare it to AoE (Transformers), is there a difference?

I fortunately have never seen Age of Extinction. However, going by the first Transformers (which is supposedly a better movie than AoE), Age of Ultron has a more cohesive plot with better suspense. The dialogue was better. Most importantly, the humor was way better. The resolution, while, in both cases, was "superheroes do superhero-y things," had far more heart. And, frankly, having likeable characters is important to films and something the entire Transformers franchise has utterly failed at.
 
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