Avengers: Age of Ultron- Grading & Discussion (spoilerific)

[Tosk]

Well, you can see that I wrote exactly that in the next sentence so my question was more or less rhetorical.

Apologies. I spaced on that one!

I don't recall them mentioned on Agents of SHIELD, do you have a cite?

And I guess I spaced on that one too. Where are my meds?! ...I might have been thinking of an early mention of the Kree. Sorry 'bout that.

That being said, there are those who argue that Fox only has the Super Skrull, not all Skrulls.

Seems to be accurate... https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/253e4v/clearing_up_the_skrulls_film_rights/

 

[Samurai8472]

Rumor is that Disney considered AOU a failure.


Kevin Feige has used this to oust Ike Perlmutter


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09...d-a-failure-at-disney-and-what-happened-next/


Ike is the one that brought Marvel out of the brink of bankruptcy. Ironically, it was his stinginess that ended up saving the company.

 

[Marsden]

Worldwide: $1,401,544,064

and that's a failure?



I think I'm better off not knowing things.

 

[Captain Craig]

I'm chalking that up as exactly that: rumor.

I'd just as likely buy that certain elements in the entertainment industry would like to link their own hopes for AoU to the recent Marvel CEO shuffling.

$1.4B worldwide is never a failure even if you hoped for $1.5B --- this rumor is a disconnect and unless I hear sources it remains a rumor created by those with an agenda to drive that AoU was a failure cause they didn't like it yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

[Mage]

Rumor is that Disney considered AOU a failure.


Kevin Feige has used this to oust Ike Perlmutter


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09...d-a-failure-at-disney-and-what-happened-next/


Ike is the one that brought Marvel out of the brink of bankruptcy. Ironically, it was his stinginess that ended up saving the company.

I call bullshit. Disney is about the cha-ching. 1,4 billion dollars is not failure cha-ching, it's succes cha-ching.

EDIT TO SAY:
It's so easy for any newssite these days to add a 'according to rumors' to anything they report. Who's gonna check those rumors? No one. Everyone will immediatly believe there has to be some truth to it, because, you know, they said so.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Isn't it like the sixth highest grossing film of all time. It only looks weak when compared to the Avengers, which is an outlier. Now it's possible Disney thinks it's a failure, but they'd be wrong on that (maybe they're disappointed, which is slightly different, although I think that's due to their expectations being too high).

 

[Skywalker]

It "only" grossed about $100 million less than The Avengers did. But Disney was probably expecting AoU to surpass its predecessor.

 

[DWF]

I had read some predictions that either AOU or The Force Awakens were supposed to be the first 2 billion dollar movie. I don't know what Disney's expectations were for the movie, but they really wanted that high of a return the movie could be seen a failure in their eyes.

 

[Myko]

It is within the realm of possibility that Disney are disappointed in the quality of the movie while still pleased with the money it made. The reception among fans is pretty lukewarm after all, even if we all paid to see it.

 

[AvBaur]

These articles offer a different explanation:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-civil-war-why-kevin-820147

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/08...ew-boss-as-disney-restructures-marvel-studios

 

[Turtletrekker]

Yeah, I think that ultimately, this is going to be a good thing for Marvel Studios moving forward. And to be honest, I think that by this point, Kevin Feige has earned the right to work without a net, if you know what I mean. I believe that Feige was serious in his threat to quit. Face it-- he would be unemployed for about a minute and a half before the offers started flowing in. Alan Fine was smart enough to realize how important Feige has been in Marvel Studios success and acted accordingly.

 

[Marsden]

These articles offer a different explanation:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/marvels-civil-war-why-kevin-820147

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2015/08...ew-boss-as-disney-restructures-marvel-studios

Thanks, for the links, I got this from the top link:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/how-marvel-became-envy-scourge-720363

It certainly puts some of that in context as it was written just before Guardians of the Galaxy came out.

 

[Csalem]

I had read some predictions that either AOU or The Force Awakens were supposed to be the first 2 billion dollar movie. I don't know what Disney's expectations were for the movie, but they really wanted that high of a return the movie could be seen a failure in their eyes.

Wasn't Avatar the first $2 billion film, on its initial release?

 

[JD]

I've read a couple stories now that said that Permutter kept a pretty tight hold on the money. It will be interesting to see how much of an effect this all has on what ends up on screen.

 

[DWF]

I had read some predictions that either AOU or The Force Awakens were supposed to be the first 2 billion dollar movie. I don't know what Disney's expectations were for the movie, but they really wanted that high of a return the movie could be seen a failure in their eyes.

Wasn't Avatar the first $2 billion film, on its initial release?

I think they were talking about this year's movies.

 

[theenglish]

I had read some predictions that either AOU or The Force Awakens were supposed to be the first 2 billion dollar movie. I don't know what Disney's expectations were for the movie, but they really wanted that high of a return the movie could be seen a failure in their eyes.

Wasn't Avatar the first $2 billion film, on its initial release?

I think they were talking about this year's movies.

Is there a list of movies that broke 2B since Avatar?

 

[Dream]

I've read a couple stories now that said that Permutter kept a pretty tight hold on the money. It will be interesting to see how much of an effect this all has on what ends up on screen.

The problem with AOU wasn't its budget, which was more than enough. It felt too much like a rehash of the first Avengers. Too little happened. Outside of introducing a few new characters, it felt like a trailer for the next MCU movie to me.

 

[Hound of UIster]

Rumor is that Disney considered AOU a failure.


Kevin Feige has used this to oust Ike Perlmutter


http://www.bleedingcool.com/2015/09...d-a-failure-at-disney-and-what-happened-next/

This articles there were probably seeded by someone from the Creative Committee. And Johnston has all but in the past accused Perlmutter of mass murder during his service in the IDF. In other words, BC is NOT a reliable source, but a mouthpiece for the highest bidder that doesn't care about the truth.

 

[JD]

I've read a couple stories now that said that Permutter kept a pretty tight hold on the money. It will be interesting to see how much of an effect this all has on what ends up on screen.

The problem with AOU wasn't its budget, which was more than enough. It felt too much like a rehash of the first Avengers. Too little happened. Outside of introducing a few new characters, it felt like a trailer for the next MCU movie to me.

Those were actually meant to be two separate thoughts, I just forgot to separate them.

I actually have a feeling the separation from the creative committee or whatever it was they called them, might have a bigger effect on the movies.

 

[Mr Light]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films

1 1 Avatar $2,787,965,087 2009 [# 1][# 2] 2 1 Titanic $2,186,772,302 1997 [# 3][# 4] 3 3 Jurassic World

$1,637,179,580 2015 [# 5] 4 3 The Avengers $1,519,557,910 2012 [# 6][# 7] 5 4 Furious 7

$1,511,726,205 2015 [# 8][# 9] 6 5 Avengers: Age of Ultron

$1,401,213,387 2015 [# 10][# 9]