Since it could just be a simple mistake, BUT:
Translation: there will be another six months of pointless speculation about this minute detail in attempts to imply impropriety that will lead, as ever, to absolutely nothing.
Axanar dropped a plot spoiler about a month ago
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Since it could just be a simple mistake, BUT:
Translation: there will be another six months of pointless speculation about this minute detail in attempts to imply impropriety that will lead, as ever, to absolutely nothing.
But if they come to CBS looking for a royalty payment, CBS is either going to go to the Axanar group wanting a licensing fee or they'll just kill it.
They changed Locarno to Paris due to rights, Ro Laren became Kira because Michelle Forbes wasn't interested in doing Star Trek full time and T'Pau became T'Pol on Enterprise due to rights. If I remember everything correctly.
It's the vibe I get from their podcast, particularly from Burnett. They waste no opportunity to take a shot at Abrams Trek and say it's not the Trek fans want, etc.
Politics 101. Excite your crowd to get them to open their wallets. They are playing things up for a certain group of people.
More like Public Relations 101.
Sure I get that. But I also get the vibe that Burnett is really sincere about his statements that they're making "true Star Trek" based on his previous statements about the Abrams movies before he joined the Axanar production.
I agree. It drives me nuts when they do this. Not because they're clearly gunning for the old-school Trekkies, but because a) Burnet's passionate hatred for the Abrams films is well documented and b) they're effectively shitting on the very people allowing them to produce this film.
I get wanting to preserve the original timeline/TOS era/Prime universe mocha-choco-bullshit/whatever, but it's entirely unnecessary for Axanar's producers to be making such pejorative statements about the official films. Peters may not know better because he's not done anything professionally in the industry, but Burnett should; perhaps its this same blind hostility that has kept him from directing those $100 million films he's hoping to net after Axanar is completed.
Well, since the quote function is proving difficult for me (again!) this is in response to northstar's response to my comment about money.
First, I'm not talking about Hollywood-level production of scif-fi or a major blockbuster film. This is discussing fan film production budget, which can be done in a variety of creative ways, depending on who you know.
Secondly, a budget doesn't automatically make a great film or interesting story or dynamic characters. I would argue that I enjoy more of the characters from Red vs. Blue (an online web series set in the Halo universe) than I did Avatar.
Not tryng to split hairs but trying to clarify my point of view.
First, I'm not talking about Hollywood-level production of scif-fi or a major blockbuster film. This is discussing fan film production budget, which can be done in a variety of creative ways, depending on who you know.
Secondly, a budget doesn't automatically make a great film or interesting story or dynamic characters. I would argue that I enjoy more of the characters from Red vs. Blue (an online web series set in the Halo universe) than I did Avatar.
Not tryng to split hairs but trying to clarify my point of view.
this fixation on will it make a profit is an odd one given its easy to make things appear to make a loss on paper - which is why the IP lawyer quoted in the wire article notes the correct question is 'would this deprive CBS of a licensing fee?'
Moreover this production makes it really easy to make a paper loss because they can funnel all the money into the construction of their studio - which is surely the end goal?
So even in the situation, that CBS issue a C&D as long as it is far enough down the road, Peters and the gang still 'profit'. CBS look like bad guys, he gets his physical assets paid for.
Moreover this production makes it really easy to make a paper loss because they can funnel all the money into the construction of their studio - which is surely the end goal?
So even in the situation, that CBS issue a C&D as long as it is far enough down the road, Peters and the gang still 'profit'. CBS look like bad guys, he gets his physical assets paid for.
Ah, I hadn't heard that myself, since I don't tend to follow the podcasts. I don't see the point in such things personally, but then it's not a competition to me.
With the last kickstarter, I got the sense that I was donating to the Movie, with the production facilities, being more or less a result of the movie. Now with the Indigogo, and in explaining why they went through 610K so fast, I almost feel like the last kickstarter really was a fundraiser to launch Ares Studios, first and foremost, and that the movie would be a result of the Studio facility....
Makes me pine for the days when fan films were just these neat things that had a lot of passion and not a lot of resources. Just neat and novel and entertaining.
Now the whole idea of fans enjoying fandom is getting washed up in.... THIS, and if it ends up killing fan productions on any major scale i'm going to be really angry.
Also, I think the Axanar people have a lot of nerve to take shots at JJ Trek given their visual effects very clearly are pull design inspiration from them. The entire "standing fleet" is made up of Kelvin/JJ kitbashes with some reworking.
Now the whole idea of fans enjoying fandom is getting washed up in.... THIS, and if it ends up killing fan productions on any major scale i'm going to be really angry.
Also, I think the Axanar people have a lot of nerve to take shots at JJ Trek given their visual effects very clearly are pull design inspiration from them. The entire "standing fleet" is made up of Kelvin/JJ kitbashes with some reworking.
More like Grifter 101, but I'll give them the benefit of the doubt in this case...
Ah, I hadn't heard that myself, since I don't tend to follow the podcasts. I don't see the point in such things personally, but then it's not a competition to me.
Agree. It's not a competition at all. There's enough room in our "big happy fleet" for more than one type of Trek, even if it's not everyone's cup of Earl Grey.
To be fair, Peters has said many times how he likes the design aesthetic of that Kelvin-era from the new movies and that he wants to somehow show the design linage to TOS. And he admits to liking the first Abrams movie.
But that gets into a part of these productions that I really couldn't care less about — the canon connecting and the obsession over ships.
Ships are nice, story is better.
Or being perceived that way -- for example as taking "shots" at the Abrams films if they should mention wanting to differ from their style of storytelling. Unfortunately Trek fandom is more than amply supplied with nutty oversensitivity in every direction (you should see some of the OldTrek purists whinge about the AbramsTrek design aesthetics' influence on the Axanar groups
).
Yes, 'Official' is used for their production page on Facebook, incase others make there own STC page on Facebook. We did the same with STR's page on Facebook in case there were copycats. It has nothing to do with it being 'Official Star Trek'.
As for the Pilot comment, lets look at the definition:
"A television pilot (also known as a pilot or a pilot episode) is a standalone episode of a television series that is used to sell the show to a television network."
We did make a pilot and pitched it to CBS, the result was unsuccessful, but just because it did not succeed, it is still a pitched pilot, like thousands of other pilots that never got picked up in the TV industry. STR is now also the pilot episode of the internet series we plan to do. So it's a pilot. We never promised that CBS would pick up, we promised that we would pitch it and we did.
Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
Indeed.
The comment regarding Renegades and its pilot film in Alec Peters' blog post was a low blow. It was entirely misinformed and just silly, particularly given that unlike Axanar (so far), Renegades has actually completed its first film. (Translation: there's really no need to be pointing fingers, Alec.)
I'm sorry Renegades was not as good a film as we all had hoped, but no amount of semantic gymnastics in Peters' blog, interview or podcast will change that.
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The comment regarding Renegades and its pilot film in Alec Peters' blog post was a low blow. It was entirely misinformed and just silly, particularly given that unlike Axanar (so far), Renegades has actually completed its first film. (Translation: there's really no need to be pointing fingers, Alec.)
I'm sorry Renegades was not as good a film as we all had hoped, but no amount of semantic gymnastics in Peters' blog, interview or podcast will change that.
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^ I think you're right that Peters misconstrues their use of the word "official."
It's kind of comical that people keep trying to harp on this:
...as if it's some kind of gotcha, though. Quality-wise, Renegades is fairly evidently a poster child for why not to rush production and were left still trying to recoup costs after their Kickstarter fundraising by asking for absurd amounts in donations for their Blu-Rays. This obviously is not something any production should be aspiring to and frankly rather vindicates the Axanar teams' judgement in taking the time to do it right.
It's kind of comical that people keep trying to harp on this:
...as if it's some kind of gotcha, though. Quality-wise, Renegades is fairly evidently a poster child for why not to rush production and were left still trying to recoup costs after their Kickstarter fundraising by asking for absurd amounts in donations for their Blu-Rays. This obviously is not something any production should be aspiring to and frankly rather vindicates the Axanar teams' judgement in taking the time to do it right.
You mean their judgement to keep going back to fans for more and more cash?
I generally agree. I'm just saying I think the production as a whole would have to be considered hypocritical if it really wants to adopt that stance towards the current generation of Star Trek while also taking inspiration from it in such an overt manner.
