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Star Trek: Renegades

All the scenes with Chekhov's great-granddaughter should have been left on the cutting room floor - added nothing of significance at all.
Couldn't agree more.

No offense to Sky and Tim's daughters, but they just don't belong in this film. That subplot was completely unnecessary and they are just not effective on screen next to such an impressive cast.

When decisions like that reek of nepotism, it's a sign that other aspects of the production will have similar problems. It was an easy decision not made because of someone's feelings. No place for that when making the best decisions for a film.
 
All the scenes with Chekhov's great-granddaughter should have been left on the cutting room floor - added nothing of significance at all.
Couldn't agree more.

No offense to Sky and Tim's daughters, but they just don't belong in this film. That subplot was completely unnecessary and they are just not effective on screen next to such an impressive cast.

Leaving aside the other stuff - part of the problem with it is that it leads the viewer to ask all sorts of odd questions - why are cadets just wandering the halls of Starfleet headquarters and don't they have any classes?

Now someone is going to say "but she's chekov's relation!" but at this stage, the long-term fan knows how Starfleet works and this isn't it.
 
I think the "other stuff" is pretty important because it's clear this production team made decisions based on personal feelings. That makes me question every decision they make in marketing, fundraising, everything else.

EDIT: For example - "introducing" Crystal Conway? Come on.
 
The lighting is definitely early 90's in some scenes, than glaringly intense in others, then strangely unevenly dark in others.
 
All the scenes with Chekhov's great-granddaughter should have been left on the cutting room floor - added nothing of significance at all.
Couldn't agree more.

No offense to Sky and Tim's daughters, but they just don't belong in this film. That subplot was completely unnecessary and they are just not effective on screen next to such an impressive cast.

When decisions like that reek of nepotism, it's a sign that other aspects of the production will have similar problems. It was an easy decision not made because of someone's feelings. No place for that when making the best decisions for a film.

I'll be honest... they aren't even the worst offenders. I can overlook the work of obvious non-actors, but someone like Edward Furlong, who at one time was considered one of the best young actors in the industry; his work is inexcusable.

It's like he's acting in a completely different film about an auto mechanic struggling with drug addiction. Half the time I had no clue what his function in the story was other than to do a periodic ode to Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.
 
I couldn't really get through it. About 1/3 of the way in I was bored and had to scan around. :( Made me sad because I really wanted to like it. I just didn't find the story that interesting or the tension relatable. I didn't care what happened.
 
I'll be honest... they aren't even the worst offenders. I can overlook the work of obvious non-actors, but someone like Edward Furlong, who at one time was considered one of the best young actors in the industry; his work is inexcusable.

It's like he's acting in a completely different film about an auto mechanic struggling with drug addiction. Half the time I had no clue what his function in the story was other than to do a periodic ode to Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.

There are sort weird aesthetic choices with his outfit as well that seems like it belongs in another show... a low-budget sci-fi show from the 1990s...

hey it's like a theme is emerging...
 
I'll be honest... they aren't even the worst offenders. I can overlook the work of obvious non-actors, but someone like Edward Furlong, who at one time was considered one of the best young actors in the industry; his work is inexcusable.

It's like he's acting in a completely different film about an auto mechanic struggling with drug addiction. Half the time I had no clue what his function in the story was other than to do a periodic ode to Dennis Hopper in Apocalypse Now.

There are sort weird aesthetic choices with his outfit as well that seems like it belongs in another show... a low-budget sci-fi show from the 1990s...

hey it's like a theme is emerging...

Like I said, there are some really wonderful moments, and Adrienne Wilkinson does a very credible job as the lead. Between she and Koenig, and Russ, they manage to keep things on a fairly even keel. But there are these horrendous moments that are so jarring and feel out of place.

I'm convinced a solid re-edit of the film can fix quite a bit of what ails Renegades. However, there's an unfortunate late 90's/early 2000s claustrophobic vibe in terms of cinematography... very few wide shots (obviously meant to hide the limited budget); which becomes incredibly distracting after a while.
 
I'm pleased to be able to see what everyone else has been talking about. :D

I was entertained, and I enjoy the interstellar "Dirty Dozen" premise. The acting and script were uneven, as others have fairly commented -- though I think the good in the acting outweighs the bad -- and the whole affair could have benefited a lot from being lighter and less determined to cram in every possible reference it could manage. VFX were impressive, especially given the budget, and the space battle scenes are a real achievement. (Oh, and I liked what little we saw of Singh's Cardassian sidekick, or at any rate I was really liking the actor; it's a shame he bit it. :()

I don't know if it might be hard to sustain the whole Dirty Dozen premise using the Federation -- which in this incarnation is a bit on the Gee Willickers side of things -- as a foil. I guess we'll see in future instalments. Congrats to the cast and crew.
 
I think there's about enough good material here to make a solid 1-hour TV pilot. Unfortunately there's about another 30 minutes tacked on that really adds nothing to the story, contains spotty acting, poor scripting choices, and a number of "forced" nods to Trek canon.
 
Now that others have seen/can see it, I'm going to point out something that immediately raised a red flag for me when first watching it. When Tuvok first appears he's inexplicably standing in the shadows, delivering his lines from darkness for a bit before finally stepping into the light. Now, why put him in shadow? Anyone who's a fan knows Tuvok and recognizes his voice, so there's zero surprise in the reveal, and to those who don't know who Tuvok is, he's just some random guy stepping into the light. There's no surprise or information being communicated here. His appearance hasn't changed, he's not scarred or otherwise interesting to look at. There's nothing revealed by this reveal, which creates a sense of false expectation with no payoff, raises expectations and results in a subsequent letdown.

The film is rife with stuff like this.
 
My brief non-spoiler review:

I agree with the sentiment it could be a half hour shorter. It definitely needed another pass in the edit bay. Some of the performances are absolutely atrocious. And there were storylines that went nowhere.

Overall, it was entertaining but very uneven. I just think that it's not for me. It's an interesting idea but I don't know if it will be able to sustain the story. Also despite all of the stars of Trek past and the references, I just don't think it feels like Star Trek. And while that could be a good thing, I'm not convinced it is in this case.

C-. Thanks but no thanks.
 
Now that others have seen/can see it, I'm going to point out something that immediately raised a red flag for me when first watching it. When Tuvok first appears he's inexplicably standing in the shadows, delivering his lines from darkness for a bit before finally stepping into the light. Now, why put him in shadow? Anyone who's a fan knows Tuvok and recognizes his voice, so there's zero surprise in the reveal, and to those who don't know who Tuvok is, he's just some random guy stepping into the light. There's no surprise or information being communicated here. His appearance hasn't changed, he's not scarred or otherwise interesting to look at. There's nothing revealed by this reveal, which creates a sense of false expectation with no payoff, raises expectations and results in a subsequent letdown.

The film is rife with stuff like this.

I guess Tim Russ wanted to give himself a dramatic entrance. :p All I could think though was Phil Coulson's similar-yet-played-for-laughs entrance in the first episode of Agents of Shield. "Sorry, it was so dark back there, I couldn't resist. I think there's a bulb out."
 
I've been reading/watching reviews of Renegades whenever I can find them, and I keep coming back to the same thought:

Should this be judged as a "fan film" or as a professional production?...

They sold it as a pilot worthy of sharing with a network. That implies a level of quality beyond a pure fan film and invites a different degree of scrutiny. As I've said before, you can't say "we're so pro" and then expect to be judged by less than pro standards.
and in that spirit

All the scenes with Chekhov's great-granddaughter should have been left on the cutting room floor - added nothing of significance at all.

I agree. What makes those scenes worse (beyond how poorly written they are) is knowing both she and her friend are played by Tim Russ' daughter and Sky Conway's daughter. Hello, shoehorn!
that explains alot, I felt watching it, they were in fact there to give Walter something to do, I guess his great great grand daughter, hints at the bigger villain we dont know about, but thats is about it, and we didnt need that given the speech at the end about how Lexxa had been targeted in the past.

Moving away from this, as it seems im picking up on a common theme, the Renegades come together quite well, the crew of Icarus do seem well bonded, and by the end of it, you actually care, Robert Picardo seem wasted (but again there is reason for that.) I could certainly see the characters being expanded and built up on, over the run of a TV show.

Going into this, and looking at the list of "stars" as in people from the TV series, lowest on my list was Manu Intiraymi as Icheb, I have spent no time at all pondering what happened to the Borg kids, but actually he really stands out in this for me.

Side note: the above suggests that I ranked Admiral Owen Paris higher than Icheb, but that is more down to the fact, I had all but forgotten about him, other than as an abstract notion that Tom had a father at in a couple of episode. (sorry Richard)

Going back to Starfleet for a moment Captain Alvarez, whilst I generally dont like it when Archer gets a mention in Star Trek, I would rather he was forgotten, the USS Archer is a fine ship, who suffers from the same problem as the Icarus, lovely outside visuals, but rubbish sets (Lexxa getting her captains chair from an office supply store) however I enjoyed the cat and mouse between Captain Alvarez and the Renegades, and would like to see more of that in the future, people might say he is a bit safe, a boy scout but as the mirror to the Renegades, that is what is needed, someone who stands (almost too much) for all the good in the federation, not the dark shadowy world we are presented with.

Some general points, why is Chekov just hanging around with Renegades, who just drop by his office, and hang out, like no one is to question it? at least Tuvok keeps to the shadows. Is the shadowy element of the Federation not watching him?

Garis (Vic Mignogna) is dead? ok so maybe we need him to play Kirk on Continues but why bring him along after Lexxa left the prison if he does little more than remind us that Cardassians and Bajorans do not get along

the Syphon, they seem a little wasted here, they are built up ago, but by the end they seem totally defeated, and I dont really know if I want them back.

Some previous posts have mentioned some poor FX and CGI, its certainly true, whilst star ship design and the space dog fights all excellent, landscape and background shots are all quite poor, even by the standard of a pilot poor.

So this pilot does more or less as expected it sets up the Renegades crew, and moves the attention from the federation and star fleet to a group of rouges, because honestly Starfleet is so clouded in shadows other than Tuvok is the least interesting part in this, but maybe we needed the idea of the safety blanket, whilst we got to know the Renegades.

Sure its change of tone for TOS, and TNG Star Trek, heck DS9 never went this far, and if this was to go to a series, you have to ask, if this what people want from Star Trek? a world where criminals are the good guys and the federation are the bad? this idea exists in Star Wars and Firefly, but is this what we want from Trek, to see humanity's best (which is how the Federation and Starfleet has been shown up to now), become the bad guys?

Finally the implosion device looked more like something out of Star Gate, and the Renegades crew is not 100 miles away from the new crew of the Andromeda, we should avoid an episode where the Renegades end up serving on the Archer as crew to Alvarez.

I have some more nit picks, which are way to nit picky to post, so ill pass on those.
 
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The film is rife with stuff like this.

Yeah, a bit "My name is Khan," that. Likewise Lexa Singh's John Woo-style entry to her own ship. That kind of stuff was a bit unfortunate in the early going but they seemed to work it out of their systems after the half-hour mark. Or maybe I just noticed it less.

wamdue said:
lowest on my list was Manu Intiraymi as Icheb, I have spent no time at all pondering what happened to the Borg kids, but actually he really stands out in this for me.

I agree. Once they get the tying-him-into-the-mythos business out of the way and he just gets to be a character, he's pretty watchable.
 
Now that others have seen/can see it, I'm going to point out something that immediately raised a red flag for me when first watching it. When Tuvok first appears he's inexplicably standing in the shadows, delivering his lines from darkness for a bit before finally stepping into the light. Now, why put him in shadow? Anyone who's a fan knows Tuvok and recognizes his voice, so there's zero surprise in the reveal, and to those who don't know who Tuvok is, he's just some random guy stepping into the light. There's no surprise or information being communicated here. His appearance hasn't changed, he's not scarred or otherwise interesting to look at. There's nothing revealed by this reveal, which creates a sense of false expectation with no payoff, raises expectations and results in a subsequent letdown.

The film is rife with stuff like this.

I guess Tim Russ wanted to give himself a dramatic entrance. :p All I could think though was Phil Coulson's similar-yet-played-for-laughs entrance in the first episode of Agents of Shield. "Sorry, it was so dark back there, I couldn't resist. I think there's a bulb out."

Dramatic entrances are fine. And stepping out of the shadows is fine if the reveal is to surprise us or to impart information (think the Joker reveal in Batman). Heck, imagine if Tuvok had stepped out of the shadows scarred or with a signature pointed ear half missing... that'd be a shock and hint at some backstory or something.
 
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Now that others have seen/can see it, I'm going to point out something that immediately raised a red flag for me when first watching it. When Tuvok first appears he's inexplicably standing in the shadows, delivering his lines from darkness for a bit before finally stepping into the light. Now, why put him in shadow? Anyone who's a fan knows Tuvok and recognizes his voice, so there's zero surprise in the reveal, and to those who don't know who Tuvok is, he's just some random guy stepping into the light. There's no surprise or information being communicated here. His appearance hasn't changed, he's not scarred or otherwise interesting to look at. There's nothing revealed by this reveal, which creates a sense of false expectation with no payoff, raises expectations and results in a subsequent letdown.

The film is rife with stuff like this.

I guess Tim Russ wanted to give himself a dramatic entrance. :p All I could think though was Phil Coulson's similar-yet-played-for-laughs entrance in the first episode of Agents of Shield. "Sorry, it was so dark back there, I couldn't resist. I think there's a bulb out."

And that at least was funny (in Whedon fashion, anyway) even though the majority of people watching the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. pilot knew months in advance that Coulson was still alive.

Here, as Maurice astutely points out, the reveal is rather pointless. All it did was make me think "Everyone tries, but nobody ever tops Spielberg how cool it was having Indy step out of the shadows."

If your movie makes me think of a better movie I'd rather be watching instead, you're not doing it right.
 
Maybe I wasn't paying attention - what was Chekov's job? OK he was an Admiral but of what?

(and why does his assistant goes to 'his quarters' in an office building?)
 
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