Fixing the films....

[Khan 2.0]

TMP - do "Planet of the Titans" instead. always thought POT would've made for a great Prometheus style Trek movie instead of TMP (more colour in the uniforms etc)

II - as is

III - Alley as Savvik

IV - do a Star Wars-esque 'renegade' movie before The Voyage Home:http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=251566

V - The Voyage Home (but in 1989 co starring Eddie Murphy!! cmon hed have been great!)

VI - Savvik (Alley) as the traitor

Generations - Yesterdays Enterprise The Movie

FC - as is

IX - Geordies convenient temporal wormhole at the end of FC sends the Ent E into an alternate universe where the crew have to do battle with an evil Empire. This would become commonly known as 'the Mirror Universe movie'

Nemesis – another Borg movie. exploring the borgs origins Prometheus style, perhaps even tying them to Vger somehow

 

[Admiral2]

Design wise if we assume the revamped uniform designs from a “fixed” TMP still work then we could forego the awful maroon outfits introduced in TWOK. That and toning down Nick Meyer’s heavy handed naval flavouring.

So just dump half of what makes TWoK my favorite trek movie? Gotta disagree.

My list of changes:

TMP

Go ahead and make the film, but choose a story other than "Changeling" and "Metamorphosis" mixed with 2001 and Run Silent, Run Deep. Trying to reinvent classic wheels was always the original series' problem, and they just carried it over for two and a half really trying hours. Do I know what story? Nope, I'm just trying not to advance Wrath of Khan one movie up. I like it at Two.

TWoK

Don't touch. It's fine just like it is.

There's nothing wrong with making Enterprise a training ship. That's what you do with older vessels that are still operational enough to teach basics, and at the time the refit was in its seconds decade. (As you can guess from that, I have no problem with the TMP-TWoK timeline.) It's not like they didn't have simulators and didn't use them (the first scene was set in one) but nothing beats practical experience aboard a real ship. The real problem is the usual Trek problem of "only ship in the quadrant." We could still have a good movie if Khan managed to dust the first couple of starships that came to investigate.

Without going into detail, Kirstie Alley is THE biggest reason I was dying to see this movie.

TSFS

Dump Robin Curtis and bring Kirstie Alley back. I don't know what problem the creators had with her but they couldn't have been insurmountable. Wasn't Khan her first feature film?

TVH

Don't touch. I like funny trek. The creators spend way too much time taking the concept so seriously.

TFF

Only one thing needed changing: the director. Everything else would be fixed in due course.

TUC

Don't touch. a good TOS send-off.

GEN

This movie only exists to do a second TOS sendoff and trash ENT-D. Neither is necessary. Lose the whole film and do a blurb in FC about the ENT crew transferring to E.

FC

Don't touch.

INS

Dump. If you're only willing to film the mildest rebellion ever, don't bother.

NEM

Dump. Too many reasons to list.

 

[Warped9]

Design wise if we assume the revamped uniform designs from a “fixed” TMP still work then we could forego the awful maroon outfits introduced in TWOK. That and toning down Nick Meyer’s heavy handed naval flavouring.

So just dump half of what makes TWoK my favorite trek movie? Gotta disagree.

I would say the maroon uniforms are one of the things fueling my disappointment with the films II-VI. In extent, while I never cared for any of the TNG films, those black-and-grey uniforms they introduced are another design I feel was wrong and ill-suited to Star Trek.

 

[Phantom]

^The WoK unis look much better in the tri-colors, IMO.

 

[Warped9]

^The WoK unis look much better in the tri-colors, IMO.

I've done that in Photoshop and while it does look interesting the design still looks stiff and overdressed (for lack of a better term). To me it just doesn't look Star Trek. Looks more like a futuristic version of Earthforce uniforms on B5.

TMP
...The Enterprise is on patrol, not at Earth or getting a refit, when the call comes about V'Ger. They head out to intercept it. Trouble is the Klingons are on the way too. ( More Mark Lenard as a Klingon) Some "pew pew" with the Klingon ship before it gets "eaten"

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Definitely change the uniforms. Darker colors and less 70s design. I like the short sleeve variant used by Kirk and Sulu, so I'd start there.

The ship. I like the new design but no ship porn tour or hand wave. It's the Enterprise.

If we assume the they're on a second 5-year mission after TOS the more I like this idea. I like its simplicity of getting us right into the story and without all the filling in of getting everyone back together.

And one of these days I have to get around making a 3D model of a refit Enterprise that isn't quite so removed from the TOS aesthetic. And, no, I don't mean the Phase II version.

 

[Phantom]

^Eh, I like them regardless (and nice photoshop job).

IIRC the unofficial side of things from that era had the Federation going through something of a militaristic period anyways, with the Klingon Cold War almost always one skirmish away from breaking out into a full-on shooting war. In that context, I don't mind a more "formal" look.

 

[Warped9]

I experimented with green on McCoy to give make the medical divison more distinct from the other sciences.

 

[Karzak]

Ugh, that looks awful.

Not the photoshopping, just the random different colors on those jackets. I much prefer the 'monster maroon' color scheme we actually got.

 

[Phantom]

^They're not random.

 

[Karzak]

They're not good either.

 

[Trekkin]

I like the Photoshop, but I do personally kinda prefer the uniforms actually used in the movie.

Maybe I'm just used to seeing my sister and her crew mates, where they're all in pretty much the same uniforms. That doesn't explain why I'm okay with TOS and the Nu- Uniforms (the aesthetics of those incarnations made the colour fit better?), but taste is a funny thing.

 

[Warped9]

Obviously there are endless shades of any given colour and choosing just the right ones is hit-and-miss.

 

[Mage]

Am I honestly the only one that doesn't feel the need to fix anything? I like this franchise just the way it is, flaws and all.

 

[Warped9]

Am I honestly the only one that doesn't feel the need to fix anything? I like this franchise just the way it is, flaws and all.

Yep, you're all by your lonesome.

 

[Mage]

Am I honestly the only one that doesn't feel the need to fix anything? I like this franchise just the way it is, flaws and all.

Yep, you're all by your lonesome.

Figures.....

Seriously though....

Sure, there are flaws in the movies. And in the shows. But I would'n't fix any of it. I love those movies, each in their own particular way, warts and all.

 

[Warped9]

Sure, there are flaws in the movies. And in the shows. But I would'n't fix any of it. I love those movies, each in their own particular way, warts and all.

TMP is my favourite of the films, but I can see how it could have been better and without a lot of effort. And I can say that about the rest of the films even though there's less I like about them.

Except TVH--there's very little I like about that one. And the TNG films were a waste of celluloid.

 

[trekshark]

I've always liked the TWOK and later uniform but also see where it would be a bit cumbersome for daily wear.
maybe make it the dress uniform and daily wear on the ship would be the departmental color under shirt without the jacket

 

[Warped9]

I've always liked the TWOK and later uniform but also see where it would be a bit cumbersome for daily wear.
maybe make it the dress uniform and daily wear on the ship would be the departmental color under shirt without the jacket

Something like that might have made a decent enough compromise. The trousers certainly evoked those used on TOS.

 

[Admiral2]

I've always liked the TWOK and later uniform but also see where it would be a bit cumbersome for daily wear.
maybe make it the dress uniform and daily wear on the ship would be the departmental color under shirt without the jacket

Something like that might have made a decent enough compromise. The trousers certainly evoked those used on TOS.

A uniform isn't required to be comfortable. It just has to be a uniform. The fact that the outfit looks uncomfortable to wear on a daily basis is irrelevant. If it's required you wear it. Period.

For whatever in-universe reason Starfleet was required for a time to wear uniforms that looked less like pajamas and more like military standard. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Warped9]

I've always liked the TWOK and later uniform but also see where it would be a bit cumbersome for daily wear.
maybe make it the dress uniform and daily wear on the ship would be the departmental color under shirt without the jacket

Something like that might have made a decent enough compromise. The trousers certainly evoked those used on TOS.

A uniform isn't required to be comfortable. It just has to be a uniform. The fact that the outfit looks uncomfortable to wear on a daily basis is irrelevant. If it's required you wear it. Period.

For whatever in-universe reason Starfleet was required for a time to wear uniforms that looked less like pajamas and more like military standard. I see nothing wrong with that.

Except that Star Trek had already established that everyday service wear uniforms were already comfortable as well. And so in the far future, where it's safe to assume that even elaborate outfits could still be comfortable, there's no reason for the uniform to be over designed and uncomfortable.

Say what one wants about the TMP and later early season TNG uniforms, but they were far more consistent with the thinking established in TOS. As such the costumes of TWOK-TUC look wrong. They were mostly change for change's sake without regard for what had been established.

So if Meyer is allowed to say to hell with old fogies who designed TOS then I can say the hell with Nick Meyer.