‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’
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I haven't seen Ant-Man because it simply didn't grab my interest. I've seen quite a few, but not all, of the Marvel films and I've found them to be a mixed bag. I wouldn't call any of them bad, but some worked for me better than others.
The X-Men movies just don't interest me largely because the characters have never interested me. In general I've never been a fan of superhero teams, but even so I really enjoyed the first Avengers although I haven't yet seen the second one. And I loved Guardians Of The Galaxy. The Thor movies were okay, but again it's not really grabbing me. I really enjoyed the Captain America films as well as the first and third Iron Man films. I don't have any enthusiasm for the Fantastic Four so I might see it someday on rental or something. I'm curious how Spider-Man will be rebooted into the Marvel films. Overall I liked the Sam Raini Spidey movies better than the more recent reboot.
My favourite Marvels so far:
Iron Man
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
The Avengers
Guardians Of The Galaxy
Over at DC I really liked Chris Nolan's Dark Knight trilogy and I enjoyed MoS more than I thought I would. To that end, and based on what I've seen so far, I'm looking forward to BvS.
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Yep.
Just wait until you see two hours of Aquaman glowering at a tuna.
It'll be so dark you can't really see anything but it'll be there.
Just wait until you see two hours of Aquaman glowering at a tuna.
It'll be so dark you can't really see anything but it'll be there.
Yeah, super realism with Aquaman would be hilarious. He'll spend 3/4th of his movie deep underwater, but it will realistically be dark with no lighting, so you'll be staring at a blank black screen for an hour, while some background audio and dialog play.Honestly though, I am very interested in Batman v Superman. I find Marvel's movie making method and general style to be superior to DC's dark, color drained grittiness, but Man of Steel won me over and I think Batman v Superman has a high chance of being very good. I'd say that, at the very least, I'm expecting an entertaining movie from DC.
It's not really about colour but rather that the director has a vision - for example, i don't think Watchmen is a great film but its an interesting failure that I'll watch many time - the marvel films I watch once and that is it.
To each their own. I generally don't care about the director or their vision. I mean, there is nothing wrong with that, and director's can make some great movies that way, but with superhero movies I'm looking for characters that I can at least recognize having cool adventures. If the director's "vision" doesn't fit that (like edgar Wright on Ant-Man, apparently) I'm fine with them finding a new director. Not every Marvel movie has been amazing, but even the comparatively worst one (Thor: The dark World for me) is still a movie I enjoy and will watch numerous times. The tone and style of the movies need to at least generally fit together for something like the Marvel universe, and I think that's the number one consideration, not letting the director do whatever they want.
In the end, I'm a fan of movies and characters, not the person directing the movie. If a movie fits the Marvel studio's vision, for example, I know I'll like it based on the track record. Compared to DC, who seem to give Zach Snyder free reign as long as the movies copy the dark, depressing, "realstic" tone of Nolan's Batman movies. I think Marvel's way of sometimes lessening the importance of the individual director to make the movies fit is the way to go. Plus, its not like James Gunn or Joss Whedon haven't been able to leave their mark on their movies.
I'm interested to see where DC is going, and I think it will be entertaining. But Marvel has my trust as a movie goer that whatever they put out, I'll like at worst or love at best. They understand the characters and how to adapt them in a way that both comic fans and general audiences enjoy.
In the end, I'm a fan of movies and characters, not the person directing the movie. If a movie fits the Marvel studio's vision, for example, I know I'll like it based on the track record. Compared to DC, who seem to give Zach Snyder free reign as long as the movies copy the dark, depressing, "realstic" tone of Nolan's Batman movies. I think Marvel's way of sometimes lessening the importance of the individual director to make the movies fit is the way to go. Plus, its not like James Gunn or Joss Whedon haven't been able to leave their mark on their movies.
I'm interested to see where DC is going, and I think it will be entertaining. But Marvel has my trust as a movie goer that whatever they put out, I'll like at worst or love at best. They understand the characters and how to adapt them in a way that both comic fans and general audiences enjoy.
I'm not sure what you think that word means but the Nolan films were not realistic in any way - nor was Man of Steel featuring a flying Alien God who could shot laser-beams from his eyes.
I meant more like how its more "realistic" for the characters in general to act more selfish and a-holeish (like Johnathon Kent, although he really went past a-hole and became a joke), or to have more negative reactions in the world to superheroes. So, its not really "realism" in how the universe works, more like "realism" in that there is a lot less hope and goodness around.
Marvel shows that a talking Racoon is awesome. DC shows that Superman will kill, and humanity will hate him or treat him like Jesus. I've grown to enjoy Man of Steel a good deal and I've gotten past the killing and generally dark tone, but in the end, Marvel has more fun. It has a good amount of serious moments, but the characters at least have moments where you get the feeling that these are heroes, and they actually enjoy life. DC just has a tone that's more dark and moody, it does some intense stuff but its hard to really connect with the characters. I guess I'm saying I prefer some light moments in a superhero movie and some optimism, something Nolan's Batman never felt like it had but Man of Steel had enough of that I grew to like it.
Batman v Superman is obviously going to have a darker tone, but even with all that, based on Man of Steel I think it could be very good. It all comes down to what you prefer. DC has a darker mood that some people consider more "realistic", and Marvel has serious moments, but also wants to have some fun. I like Marvel's better, but DC's can be interesting, which is why I think Batman v Superman will be entertaining.
I don't really want to argue or anything. I can see why some people can get tired of Marvel (they aren't perfect and could use improvement in a few areas, but I still love their stuff) and I can see how DC's style could be a breath of fresh air for some people. I love Marvel, but I'm very intrigued to see what Batman v Superman, and even Suicide Squad will bring to the table. I could see myself really enjoying both movies. I just prefer the style and tone of the Marvel movies more
Just wait until you see two hours of Aquaman glowering at a tuna.
What we all really want to see: Jason Momoa using a great white shark as a club to beat the shit out of a giant squid.
But seriously, one angle I hope they'll take is that for Aquaman the air environment is alien and undesirable. Make undersea visually rich and colourful, while air world is bleached and dirty-looking.
I won't deny that the Marvel style is a lot more funny and lighthearted, but I wouldn't describe MOS as being some incredibly sad and depressing slog either.
In fact what came through most for me was an actual sense of wonder and a reverence for such a mythic, larger than character-- which is something I hardly ever feel when watching the Marvel movies. Sure those characters are fun and look really cool in their costumes, but there's no sense you're watching something really mythic and iconic happening (except for brief moments here and there, like in Avengers when the camera circles around all of them gathered together on the street).
That's the style that DC and Snyder really seem to be going for with all their movies (more than just being "gritty and realistic"), and I couldn't be happier about it.
I get what you're saying, and I don't really disagree. Man of Steel did do that. I mean, I don't think they were particularly reverent of the Superman character in general, more like they tried to make their variation a big deal for his universe. Still, I'd argue that not everything needs to be world changing and iconic, especially when its at the expense of the characters. I like Man of Steel, but we needed more time with Clark just being a person, and not just on a journey of self discovery. I think DC can do a great job with making big moments, but Marvel is better at making their characters feel alive as people.
I think Batman v Superman will give us more of Clark being Clark now that the origin is out of the way, and I think Affleck's Bruce Wayne could be great. I'm definitely ready to see what DC has in store with Batman v Superman.
That's interesting. One of the things I didn't like about MoS was that I didn't feel any sense of wonder except in a handful of scenes (the first flying scene being the primary one).
Fair enough, but for me it came through strong right from the opening scenes on Krypton. And I thought the score did a great job giving everything a slightly wondrous and mythic feel as well (although I realize not everyone was a fan of that either).
Ultimately though, I think this is just one of those movies where it either clicks with you or it doesn't. Just like many people here really love, say, the Hellboy movies, and I just find them kinda ok.
Its weird, because I thought it was mediocre on first viewing, but I gave it more of a chance on the second and liked it more, and by the third viewing I just liked it (not loved it, but definitely liked it). So, even though it didn't click with me immediately I grew to like it. I find it hard to explain why, except that maybe the shock of some of its bigger flaws wore off for me, so I could appreciate the good stuff more.
It does have a very somber tone for a Superman movie, which I think was just too off-putting and too much of a dealbreaker for a lot of fans. But thankfully that never bothered me at all, and I absolutely loved the entire mood and style of the thing.
I have a feeling BvS will probably go over a lot better though, since the somber tone will seem a lot more fitting with Batman and Gotham in the picture. Plus it appears like it'll be a much more plot-heavy kind of movie than MOS as well.
Oh and also, Wonder Woman.
I have a feeling BvS will probably go over a lot better though, since the somber tone will seem a lot more fitting with Batman and Gotham in the picture. Plus it appears like it'll be a much more plot-heavy kind of movie than MOS as well.
Oh and also, Wonder Woman.
While MoS and BvS are not of the same continuity as Nolan's Batman trilogy they are undoubtedly taking at least something of the Nolanverse's tone over into the new continuity. I know some don't like that, particularly in regard to Superman, but it does help make the DC franchise distinct from the Marvel one.
Perhaps part of the reason it doesn't bother me as much it might have is because I don't revere the Christopher Reeve movies like many others do, and I was only 19 when the film debuted. I enjoyed the 1978 movie enough when it was new, but a lot of it hasn't aged well for me
Perhaps part of the reason it doesn't bother me as much it might have is because I don't revere the Christopher Reeve movies like many others do, and I was only 19 when the film debuted. I enjoyed the 1978 movie enough when it was new, but a lot of it hasn't aged well for me
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The overt camp was there from the beginning (same with the '89 Batman), but it wasn't as obvious back in the day. But as time passed the camp became evermore apparent.
The '78 Donner film is fine until just after Superman's first appearance in Metropolis and then it starts to slide and never recovers throughout the rest of the films. The first film is tolerable overall, but it just doesn't work for me anymore as a whole.
That said John Williams' theme still sounds so definitive.
