Spoilers STAR TREK BEYOND
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I just had a thought that delights me to no end: if things play out right, Star Trek Beyond will likely be released on 4K Blu-ray!
Oh hell yes.
Trekcore has pictures of some outdoor set construction: http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/07/massive-star-trek-beyond-outdoor-set-under-construction/
No, I'm pretty sure Bond is way more popular.
I'm pretty sure Toho Studios base their Godzilla movie plans on potential domestic box office (i.e. Japan not the U.S.)
Still more popular than trek.
yeah, and if Into Darkness failed they would be waiting a while before making the next one, which would probably be yet another reboot.
Alex wouldn't have given her unsupervised access to highly classified Starfleet defense programs just to satisfy her curiosity. She knows about the torpedoes, she knows about the Vengeance, and she knows about Marcus giving the torpedoes to Kirk. The only thing she doesn't know is WHY the torpedoes were transferred to Kirk; the fact that the Admiral didn't bother to share that information with her is apparently strange enough that she took it upon herself to forge her own transfer orders (who does that, anyway?) to get aboard the Enteprise and look into it personally.
That would seem like a really drastic step if she was just an every-day Starfleet science officer with a desk job. Why, after all, would it be unusual for her not to be informed about something she shouldn't even have security clearance to know about in the first place? Why would she be so alarmed at suddenly loosing that access as to risk a possible court martial just to find out why? That's simple: because she DOES have clearance, but the Admiral went out of his way to exclude her because he didn't want her involved in the fallout.
That, in a nutshell, is the backstory of Carol Marcus to begin with. Admiral Marcus wasn't just her father, he was her mentor. Like a less dysfunctional version of Garrack and Tain. Then he went off the rails and landed in crazy town, and that leaves Carol having to question everything she's ever believed about him, about Starfleet, and most of all, about Section Thirty One.
If Carol was a member of Section 31 as you suggest, then why didn't we have a big reveal once she met her father on the Vengeance bridge? Surely we'd have known about it by then, if they'd been in cahoots.
If you mean, did Marcus allow Carol access to just enough information to further his own goals, without her being fully cognizant of what he was doing - and without her being a full-out member of Section 31 - then I find that much more likely.
If you mean, did Marcus allow Carol access to just enough information to further his own goals, without her being fully cognizant of what he was doing - and without her being a full-out member of Section 31 - then I find that much more likely.
Does anyone remember if Orci and the others who wrote STID said anything about having any plans for Carol Marcus and Kirk beyond STID? Could be Carol Marcus could've just as easily been a new character just as some argue Khan could've been a new character and it would've affected nothing.
Since time has passed during the five year mission, there are a dozen legitimate reasons from tragic to personal to purely professional that could've led to Marcus leaving the ship. If she's not there, the question would be whether or not there'd even be any exposition about it in Pegg and Jung's story.
Since time has passed during the five year mission, there are a dozen legitimate reasons from tragic to personal to purely professional that could've led to Marcus leaving the ship. If she's not there, the question would be whether or not there'd even be any exposition about it in Pegg and Jung's story.
If Alice Eve isn't part of the STB cast, it's not too late for her to still join, is it? They can re-write some scenes to put her in, I would guess.
Which, given Section Thirty One's propaganda about itself, as well as Alex Marcus' own point of view, that would be a lot of questions and misinformation to sift through to deal with.
What fallout and ramifications of the loss of Marcus would be interesting to me in terms of the Intelligence community of Starfleet.
I'm hoping Alice Eve is able to make it at some point, but, if not, then there are reasons why to explain it away.
Because her being part of Section Thirty One isn't that important in the scheme of things. Khan doesn't reveal this either, despite the fact that he was CLEARLY working for them until he went rogue.
But this story isn't about Section Thirty One, it's about Khan and Admiral Marcus. It's part of the dynamic of their relationship and the fact that Carol's been trying to follow in his footsteps all these years; the bitch slap on the Vengeance's bridge is her singular expression of grief at Dad for having pissed all of that down his leg.
Yes, Marcus' actions have implications for Starfleet and Thirty One that will have lasting implications for everyone, especially for Carol. But their relationship is more about Carol/Dad than it is about Section 31/Starfleet.
Again, it isn't relevant at that point, any more than Kirk and the Admiral no longer seeing eye to eye on the whole "Just fire those torpedoes at Khan and get the hell out of there" plan. Nobody needs to make a statement spelling out that Enterprise is no longer on good terms with Section Thirty One; the volley of phaser fire that just blew off one of their nacelles kinda makes that obvious.
But letting Carol have access to that information doesn't further his own goals unless Carol knows what those goals truly are.
Despite the line Marcus fed Kirk, Thirty One isn't an "organization" so much as a loose confederation of like-minded officers within Starfleet who share a common agenda and thus also share common resources. Kirk HIMSELF was essentially working for them when he agreed to cross into the neutral zone. Strictly speaking, the only difference between Kirk and Carol Marcus in this regard is that Carol is a LOT more loyal to the Admiral than Kirk is.
I don't know if they'd rewrite anything at this point just to include her. She could be involved in some small way (even just a day's shooting on a soundstage), which would lead me to believe it would have to do with Kirk (maybe even in a flashback), and the outcome was not good.
Part of Kirk's broader character arc in "Star Trek" was his realization (and sometimes lament) that the ship and his duty to it were prime things in his life and the demands (because Kirk can only stand excellence) means other relationships, such as one with Carol Marcus, were impossible for him to have because of the ship and duty. It was almost part of his psyche. It could depress him, sometimes.
It would be a very different Jim Kirk in the new universe who could captain the Enterprise and fit Carol Marcus into his life in a meaningful way.
On TV, a Trek episode dedicated to Marcus and Kirk trying to have a relationship but Marcus realizing it can't work and Kirk having to sadly concede that's so would be a good story.
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He's NuTracy.
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