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Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble film?

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Personally, I think Pegg just acknowledged a weakness and his preference for writing characters. Since he has a cowriter, and Justin Lin with the final say in characters and dialog. If Pegg has a struggle, he has resources to draw upon to improve and support him.

I'd much rather have a writer who recognizes and acknowledges their own shortcomings, and then takes the proper steps to fix them before the final product.

Hollywood is just chock-full of people who are too quick to say, "My work doesn't suck, YOU suck." (Uwe Boll, I'm looking at you)
Precisely so. The idea that Pegg struggles to write female characters does not mean automatically that Star Trek Beyond will be lacking.
 
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It seems to me some here want to somehow dny the evidence of his own comments and pretend that there is no reason someone should be unsure about him when it comes to some aspects and thus keep their expectations accordingly.
Like, he keeps saying the male characters are IT for him and he even put down the dynamics with the female character

You are the only one reading this stuff into innocuous comments, so of course you are being called on it. You are entitled to your own opinions, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
 
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but if Pegg's remarks re: writing women characters are going to be the subject of an ongoing discussion, that dialogue should probably find a thread of its own, rather than repeatedly taking over threads which are about something else.
 
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I hate to be a wet blanket, but if Pegg's remarks re: writing women characters are going to be the subject of an ongoing discussion, that dialogue should probably find a thread of its own, rather than repeatedly taking over threads which are about something else.

I'm just trying to figure out why this is a question at all :confused:
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

I hate to be a wet blanket, but if Pegg's remarks re: writing women characters are going to be the subject of an ongoing discussion, that dialogue should probably find a thread of its own, rather than repeatedly taking over threads which are about something else.

Well, yes. I wasn't interested enough to open a thread about my personal opinion about Pegg (isn't that against the rules?) everything began here because I made a random comment (that was in topic for me) and some had a problem about it and apparently felt the impellent need to try to 'convince me' that their own interpretation of Pegg's quotes is a fact while I apparently are the evil person 'hating' on poor innocent Simon because I have absolutely no reason to worry about his writing for some aspects he himself admitted he is not the best at writing about. And again, I really hope I'm wrong anyway because if I'm right I won't like the movie.


The original point, that was derailed, was that those who hope to see more of the original trinity maybe will get that because Pegg seems to be pro that direction to me. Although, both Uhura and Mccoy will continue to be secondary compared to k/s anyway, but I still think that if it were for Pegg alone you could maybe hope he'd give more space to the original trio than the dynamics which are more unique to the reboot.
I don't necessarily agree with the 'myopic' (cit) focus on kirk/spock (I might argue that stid is much more about kirk than spock but I digress) for a modern reboot too (which, instead, could have been the perfect opportunity to develop the rest of the characters too) but I don't think that will change that much and I get why though I think they can still find a balance if they want.
Though, if the rumor about paramount wanting trek to be more like the marvel franchise is true then that might mean that some producers want the next movie to be a bit more about an ensemble now. The director is good with big casts too.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

I hate to be a wet blanket, but if Pegg's remarks re: writing women characters are going to be the subject of an ongoing discussion, that dialogue should probably find a thread of its own, rather than repeatedly taking over threads which are about something else.

Well, yes. I wasn't interested enough to open a thread about my personal opinion about Pegg (isn't that against the rules?) everything began here because I made a random comment (that was in topic for me) and some had a problem about it and apparently felt the impellent need to try to 'convince me' that their own interpretation of Pegg's quotes is a fact while I apparently are the evil person 'hating' on poor innocent Simon because I have absolutely no reason to worry about his writing for some aspects he himself admitted he is not the best at writing about. And again, I really hope I'm wrong anyway because if I'm right I won't like the movie.


The original point, that was derailed, was that those who hope to see more of the original trinity maybe will get that because Pegg seems to be pro that direction to me. Although, both Uhura and Mccoy will continue to be secondary compared to k/s anyway, but I still think that if it were for Pegg alone you could maybe hope he'd give more space to the original trio than the dynamics which are more unique to the reboot.
I don't necessarily agree with the 'myopic' (cit) focus on kirk/spock (I might argue that stid is much more about kirk than spock but I digress) for a modern reboot too (which, instead, could have been the perfect opportunity to develop the rest of the characters too) but I don't think that will change that much and I get why though I think they can still find a balance if they want.
Though, if the rumor about paramount wanting trek to be more like the marvel franchise is true then that might mean that some producers want the next movie to be a bit more about an ensemble now. The director is good with big casts too.

Well the first movie was mostly a Kirk and Spock with a Uhura love triangle thing. The second was a Kirk and Spock and Uhura on the side helping out in the adventures(i.e. stoping Spock from killing Kahn) My hopes for the third is that Urbans McCoy will get a chance to shine. I really miss the dynamic that McCoy used to add to the story and since Urbans portrayal is so good it would be a waste for Pegg to not use him in a larger capacity in the next film. This next adventure is out in deep space and we will need the Doctor on hand if they visit a alien world.
 
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Well the first movie was mostly a Kirk and Spock with a Uhura love triangle thing.
Did I see a different movie?
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

Well the first movie was mostly a Kirk and Spock with a Uhura love triangle thing.
Did I see a different movie?


I am talking about the ensemble portion of the movie which the thread is discussing not the entire movie itself. I worded in the context of what each movie focused on in the ensemble of the big three. Uhura loved Spock and Kirk wanted Uhura. That makes a love triangle in the first movie.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

Well the first movie was mostly a Kirk and Spock with a Uhura love triangle thing.
Did I see a different movie?


I am talking about the ensemble portion of the movie which the thread is discussing not the entire movie itself. I worded in the context of what each movie focused on in the ensemble of the big three. Uhura loved Spock and Kirk wanted Uhura. That makes a love triangle in the first movie.
He wanted Uhura for that one scene in the bar. After that they were antagonistic towards each other with no hints of romance. Kirk flirted and Uhura rolled her eyes. That was about it. Now in a different film, that would mean they would get together, but thankfully the writers threw a curve ball.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

Did I see a different movie?


I am talking about the ensemble portion of the movie which the thread is discussing not the entire movie itself. I worded in the context of what each movie focused on in the ensemble of the big three. Uhura loved Spock and Kirk wanted Uhura. That makes a love triangle in the first movie.
He wanted Uhura for that one scene in the bar. After that they were antagonistic towards each other with no hints of romance. Kirk flirted and Uhura rolled her eyes. That was about it. Now in a different film, that would mean they would get together, but thankfully the writers threw a curve ball.


Well it wasn't a even triangle that's for sure. Actually Kirk kind of made a arse out of himself at the bar and Uhuras dormitory. He didn't impress her in the Kobayashi Maru test one bit either.
It was basically a weak triangle with Kirks side slowly and embarrassingly moving away.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

I am talking about the ensemble portion of the movie which the thread is discussing not the entire movie itself. I worded in the context of what each movie focused on in the ensemble of the big three. Uhura loved Spock and Kirk wanted Uhura. That makes a love triangle in the first movie.
He wanted Uhura for that one scene in the bar. After that they were antagonistic towards each other with no hints of romance. Kirk flirted and Uhura rolled her eyes. That was about it. Now in a different film, that would mean they would get together, but thankfully the writers threw a curve ball.


Well it wasn't a even triangle that's for sure. Actually Kirk kind of made a arse out of himself at the bar and Uhuras dormitory. He didn't impress her in the Kobayashi Maru test one bit either.
It was basically a weak triangle with Kirks side slowly and embarrassingly moving away.
Yeah, that's what I said.
 
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Well it wasn't a even triangle that's for sure ... It was basically a weak triangle
:confused:

What I mean is Kirk really wanted to stay in the triangle but it just didn't work out. First he didn't know about Spock then when he did it was to late and he had to find out Uhuras first name from Spock when Uhura kissed him goodbye. So yeah it really wasn't a triangle because Uhura hated Kirk and Spock knew there was no completion he had to worry about. So in conclusion it was a weak triangle with Kirks line desperately trying to get into formation but never making it.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

Well it wasn't a even triangle that's for sure ... It was basically a weak triangle
:confused:

What I mean is Kirk really wanted to stay in the triangle but it just didn't work out. First he didn't know about Spock then when he did it was to late and he had to find out Uhuras first name from Spock when Uhura kissed him goodbye. So yeah it really wasn't a triangle because Uhura hated Kirk and Spock knew there was no completion he had to worry about. So in conclusion it was a weak triangle with Kirks line desperately trying to get into formation but never making it.
No.
 
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What I mean is Kirk really wanted to stay in the triangle but it just didn't work out. First he didn't know about Spock then when he did it was to late and he had to find out Uhuras first name from Spock when Uhura kissed him goodbye. So yeah it really wasn't a triangle because Uhura hated Kirk and Spock knew there was no completion he had to worry about. So in conclusion it was a weak triangle with Kirks line desperately trying to get into formation but never making it.
No.


No for what?
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

What I mean is Kirk really wanted to stay in the triangle but it just didn't work out. First he didn't know about Spock then when he did it was to late and he had to find out Uhuras first name from Spock when Uhura kissed him goodbye. So yeah it really wasn't a triangle because Uhura hated Kirk and Spock knew there was no completion he had to worry about. So in conclusion it was a weak triangle with Kirks line desperately trying to get into formation but never making it.
No.


No for what?
Your entire post.
 
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No for what?
Your entire post.

Oh. Well I just gave my interpretation of events.
Okay, so let's move on from the interpretation involving a triangle which is not a triangle (and in fact never was).

Topic, please: Kirk/Spock-centric or ensemble forthe upcoming movie, Star Trek Beyond?

If you want to wander off into confusing interpretations of things in a previous movie which were not actually present, either put that in its own thread or post it in a blog.
 
Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil

Your entire post.

Oh. Well I just gave my interpretation of events.
Okay, so let's move on from the interpretation involving a triangle which is not a triangle (and in fact never was).

Topic, please: Kirk/Spock-centric or ensemble forthe upcoming movie, Star Trek Beyond?

If you want to wander off into confusing interpretations of things in a previous movie which were not actually present, either put that in its own thread or post it in a blog.

Ok. I will start off on bringing the topic back. I do believe that a ensemble with Kirk, Spock and McCoy would be great. If they want to keep Uhura in the mix that would also be good but to shake things up it would be nice to see her engage McCoy a bit. For instance how would she react when McCoy is giving Spock a hard time. I think we may just get more McCoy in this film. Urbans portrayal of McCoy has gotten rave reviews and it would be a shame to not use him more in the 3rd film.
 
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