Re: Will Star Trek 3 be a Kirk & Spock centric film or An Ensemble fil
I guess I found the Simon Pegg fans....
"which any sane fan would agree with."
here we go again...
next time say 'real fans' too and you complete it.
And then I'm the one expressing their opinions as if they were facts
It seems to me some here want to somehow dny the evidence of his own comments and pretend that there is no reason someone should be unsure about him when it comes to some aspects and thus keep their expectations accordingly.
Like, he keeps saying the male characters are IT for him and he even put down the dynamics with the female character (e.g., Uhura) in an apples vs oranges unnecessary comparision to praise the dynamic between the dudes. He also admitted he can't write good female characters and he wrote out female characters from his movies because he wasn't able to make them as important as the male characters were (hence him constantly saying that the real romances are the platonic friendships between male characters. There seems to be a funny pattern in his interviews in that he seems to keep attributing to the guys female roles and the kind of dynamics that in his movies are given to women hence the whole 'guys have a romantic tension', Mccoy is Kirk's 'other woman' etc..at the same time he dissmisses the actual 'romances' with women).
I guess I have to blindly trust him and have absolutely no doubt that he will write Uhura, S/U and new female characters better than JJ&co. Like, why should I even be unsure about Pegg even caring? Noooope. No reason, at all.
I guess, also, it's just a coincidence that at the end of stid there were two female characters to balance the prominence of male characters a bit but now it seems that the secondary female character (whose possible connection with the existing characters was hinted for future movies) was written out by the current creative team.
Of course, there is Boutella's character (who according to rumors might play an alien) I guess there can be only two female characters for movie.
I love that apparently I'm the one trying to convert others to my 'creed' (lol) yet, others trying to 'convince' me that my feelings are wrong, and them being forceful with their opinions dragging me into an endless argument obessing over whatever I honestly think that not trusting Pegg too much when it comes to certain aspects and not have big expectations is the realistic thing to do for me, is totally fine and not over the top or an useless argument here.
“That bond is just so lovely, it’s kind of more interesting than any sort of romance in the entire story… And Zach and Chris play that so well, you know. They’re great friends in real life, and to play that sort of… almost like romantic tension, they have great fun with it.”
He said a similar thing about his roles too, he keeps saying that the real bonds are the male friendships only
No, what he's saying here is that in the NuTrek movies the Kirk/Spock relationship is more interesting than the Spock/Uhura relationship. That might be debatable, in the case of STID anyway, but Kirk/Spock has certainly gotten more play on-screen in NuTrek, without any help from Simon "I hate women apparently" Pegg.
His
wasn't a generic statement about k/s having more screentime nor he was talking about tos.
He
specifically put the dynamic between the guys as the one having more depth and being more interesting than Uhura's relationship and the other romances with women. (he said similar things about his male characters too) He didn't say it was more interesting than any other sort of friendship between the guys in the movies too, like kirk/bones - that I can argue gets as much screen time as the romance gets and in fact a lot of people prefer that dynamic over reboot k/s - or the interactions between his character and Kirk and Keenser, that in fact he seemed to overrate as deep relationships while promoting stid. It was a dig at, coincidence, ONLY the dynamics with women and, basically, the work Saldana had done with Quinto (both actors are proud of their own on screen dynamic and did their best making it interesting and convincing..which it is for many) tbh.
Why he felt he had to make it a petty competition between two completely different dynamics rather than, say, compare it to the other friendships (if petty comparisions were so needed for him) is a mystery for me. Or maybe not. (But I give up here).
Either way, it was unnecessary and it comes across as insecurity too as if he believes that the male friendships need to get compared to the romances with women to make a point about them being interesting. That's weird. I think romances and platonic friendships can co exist on their own merit.
Anyway, back to the point: Pegg can have opinions and I'm not against him having them. But since he unfortunately co-wrote this movie I really can't pretend that his opinions and stated preferences won't influence some things when, well, it's possible that they did. That's pretty simple and reasonable to me.
Had he said he thought Uhura and romance were more interesting than Mccoy and the original trinity, I have a feeling the Mccoy and trinity fans around here wouldn't hope his movie would be so great with those aspects.
I feel some people here had been negative in their expectations about these movies for much much less.
Eta: and I NEVER said he hates women. Let's not be too touchy on his behalf. That's ridiculizing the actual point here that apparently you don't get (even though one could say Pegg himself has explained it)
Let's not turn this board into trekmovie 2, just on reverse and thus the 'fans of all the writers and optimistic at any cost or GTFO/shut up' side because it's starting to feel like that.
) and it will be interesting to see what Pegg does with her character and her interactions with Kirk, Spock and hopefully McCoy. The biggest thing that it seems Pegg is going to do is have the crew meet something totally different and I think that will bring the characters in new directions that the previous films didn't.
The only time in I remember the original Uhura trying to do something like that was to talk to the Klingons without using the universal translator in ST:TUDC. She was pretty bad at it. I would guess the NuUhura would have not had a problem.
