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The Dark Crystal, The Never-Ending Story, and other fantasy classics

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I just realized that if Beastmaster and Conan count, then Highlander probably does, too - so I'm adding that to my list.

My problem with The NeverEnding Story is that the title is false advertising... ;)
I know what you mean. I'm still bitter about them coming out with Final Fantasy 2-15, as well. ;)
 
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I would add to the list:

Dragonslayer: Weak in some places (Peter MacNichol is juat wrong for this movie) but when it came to dragons in movies, for many years Vermithrax Pejorative was the gold standard for me.

Excalibur: Loved the score. Loved the move away from the Camelot-esque romanticism. Very quotable movie. :lol:
...for it is the Doom of Men that they forget.
Speaking of scores, Basil Poledouris' score for Conan the Barbarian is one of my all time favorites.

Yes, the dragon in Dragonslayer is superb, both in design and realization. The "go motion" technique used instead of stop motion is one that I think produced especially incredible results.

Excalibur is a favorite of mine. The photography is gorgeous, and the score of largely Wagner excerpts is truly outstanding and expertly used.
 
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I know what you mean. I'm still bitter about them coming out with Final Fantasy 2-15, as well. ;)

Don't get me started on the English dub of Digimon, where "Ultimate" is only the penultimate level of digivolution. (It's Rookie, Champion, Ultimate, and Mega.)
 
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The Neverending Story is one of my favourite novels ever, the problem with the movie is that it only adapts the first third of the novel (lets not even talk about the sequels, they are only VERY losely based on the novel), it is a decent adaptation of that part but it adds the bullies chasing Bastian at the beginning, probably to give gim some kind of victory at the end and that part sucks! There are no bullies in the novel and there's no "Fuck yeah, I've got a dragon!" revenge scene.

Bastian's adventures in Fantasia are amazing, it's basically the story about his rise, fall and redemption and about his friendship with Atreyu which is non existant in the movie.

If there's a a movie in desparate need of a remake it's The Neverending story, it should be a trilogy, the first movie would be very similar to the original movie, the second one shows Bastian's adventures in Fantasia and ends with the Battle for the Ivory Tower, the third one is about Bastian trying to redeem himself and finding a way home.

It's such a great story, it deserves a good adaptation in its entirety.
 
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I think Krull is underrated. It stars Kenneth Marshall, whom Trek fans know as Eddington from Deep Space Nine, and he's a surprisingly effective fantasy hero.
I thought that too, until I watched it again. I had fond memories of it from the first time I saw it (I was probably ~10-12 at the time), then I watched it a year or so ago with my son who was 17 at the time. It's nowhere near as good as I remembered. It's not terrible, but it hasn't aged well.
 
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I love old fantasy movies. I yarn for the time when fantasy movies could still be whimsical and didn't have to look boring and ugly like PJ's LoTR.

Loved Labyrinth, not that much of a Bowie fan, but the whole thing was just so imaginative and so much is left vague in relation to the nature of the Goblin King and his labyrinth that it just invites the mind to speculate and theorize.
Fun fact: for long I believed that this movie was an adaption, adapted from the same source material as Pan's Labyrinth, but it is an original work.

The Last Unicorn; it does not even come close to the book, not by a longshot, but it's still a unbelievably beautiful and it gave us the song by America.

Legend; is a bit painful because of Tom Cruise and the female lead being vapid as hell. But besides that? One of the most beautiful movies I've seen; the forest with its floating, glittery things, the swamps, the fortress of the Prince of Darkness...and of course Tim Curry himself as said prince, marvelous!

Haven't seen the Dark Crystal yet...have been trying to for years, but there's somehow never the time...

Krull, really liked it! As a kid the scenes in the fortress of the Beast scared the shit out of me ;-P Though always thought the ending was kind of weird "...and their son shall rule the galaxy!" Their son is Emperor Palpatine? Idk to me it always sounded like their kid was going to be evil.

Speaking of...Willow! The movie has its goofiness but overall it is also definitively a fantasy classic. Well acted, great costumes and props.

The Neverending Story.....hated it. I just constantly wanted to smack Bastian (more so in the book, than in the movie, but still) I just thought he was such a wet blanket. Fantasia is a little bit too cutesy for me as well (again more so in the book) and the forced Aseop of the book....bleh...

Someone mentioned "Magical Legend of the Leprechauns" earlier, the mini series in which Leprechauns and Fairies fight a war. Saw it as a kid several times. I thought it was really great. Haven't seen it as an adult though, so who knows how much of that is nostalgia goggles.

Anybody remember this really old fantasy movie (I think made by Disney, but life action, somewhen in the 70s or 80s) A sorcerer's apprentice fights a dragon and in the end they defeat it by converting to Christianity or something.
 
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Has anybody else here read The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths? It's a prequel graphic novel trilogy that covers the entire history of Thra from it's creation at least through to the fall of the Gelflings. The first two have come out so far and they are awesome. The third and final volume comes out this September.
The same publishers, Archaia, who are now part of Boom! Studios had planned on also doing a Labyrinth comic, but I haven't heard much about it since they originally go the Jim Henson contract, so I don't know if it's ever actually coming out.

Is V3 finally coming out in a couple of months? I was starting to wonder if it ever would. :rommie: But I'm glad to hear that if it's the plan.
 
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I think Krull is underrated. It stars Kenneth Marshall, whom Trek fans know as Eddington from Deep Space Nine, and he's a surprisingly effective fantasy hero.
I thought that too, until I watched it again. I had fond memories of it from the first time I saw it (I was probably ~10-12 at the time), then I watched it a year or so ago with my son who was 17 at the time. It's nowhere near as good as I remembered. It's not terrible, but it hasn't aged well.

Well, I never saw it when it first came out; I first saw it on DVD sometime in the 2000s, I think. And while it wasn't a brilliant movie, I found it entertaining. Maybe it's just that I had low expectations going in.



Legend; is a bit painful because of Tom Cruise and the female lead being vapid as hell. But besides that? One of the most beautiful movies I've seen; the forest with its floating, glittery things, the swamps, the fortress of the Prince of Darkness...and of course Tim Curry himself as said prince, marvelous!

I like the director's cut with the Jerry Goldsmith score better than the theatrical edition. Not only does it have a Jerry Goldsmith score, but the story is better. It's still flawed, though.


Haven't seen the Dark Crystal yet...have been trying to for years, but there's somehow never the time...
It's terrific. Perhaps the purest expression of Jim Henson's creativity, an entire world in which every single thing was an imaginary construct. I'm disappointed they didn't do more like it, whether sequels or otherwise -- more movies populated entirely by creature characters, without a human in sight. One of the reasons I dislike Labyrinth so much as a followup is because it has all those pesky humans cluttering it up.


Speaking of...Willow! The movie has its goofiness but overall it is also definitively a fantasy classic. Well acted, great costumes and props.
Typically of George Lucas's work, it doesn't have that great a story, but is noteworthy for its technical advances. I think it was the first movie to use the computer effect we now call morphing, although it was called splining at the time (after the mathematical term for the line connecting a given point in the starting image to the corresponding point it merged into in the destination image).

I think the main thing I appreciated about Willow was that it gave Warwick Davis a starring role, rather than burying him in a creature costume. It was rare at the time, and still is (aside from Peter Dinklage), for actors of his stature to get to play hero roles rather than fantasy creatures or aliens. Granted, he was playing a hero who was also a fantasy creature, but he was the hero. (Even though he was relegated to third billing, which I think was blatant height discrimination.)

I also recall being rather smitten with Joanne Whalley. Evidently Val Kilmer was too, since they married shortly afterward.
 
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Has anybody else here read The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths? It's a prequel graphic novel trilogy that covers the entire history of Thra from it's creation at least through to the fall of the Gelflings. The first two have come out so far and they are awesome. The third and final volume comes out this September.
The same publishers, Archaia, who are now part of Boom! Studios had planned on also doing a Labyrinth comic, but I haven't heard much about it since they originally go the Jim Henson contract, so I don't know if it's ever actually coming out.

Is V3 finally coming out in a couple of months? I was starting to wonder if it ever would. :rommie: But I'm glad to hear that if it's the plan.
Nerdist announced last month that it is coming out on Sept. 2
 
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Legend is great if you're watching the Directors Cut. I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it, to watch it. Goldsmiths score transformers Legend from an 80's music video in to a dark fantasy film.

And then I'll throw in Clash of the Titans(one of my favourites as a kid), Return to Oz, and Highlander.
 
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Legend is great if you're watching the Directors Cut. I recommend anyone who hasn't seen it, to watch it. Goldsmiths score transformers Legend from an 80's music video in to a dark fantasy film.

And then I'll throw in Clash of the Titans(one of my favourites as a kid), Return to Oz, and Highlander.

Oh yes, Clash of the Titans :techman: everyone should watch it, if only for the few scenes with Maggie Smith.
 
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As Christopher mentioned Noah Hathaway, I also looked up Barret Oliver. When I saw how he looks today, I thought: oh my hobbit.......
 
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Does Dragonheart count? Or is it still too newish?

The CGI dragon effects are not entirely convincing anymore, but overall it holds up pretty well, and I consider it pretty timeless. :)
 
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The Neverending Story is a movie that I absolutely love, but it's also a movie that I would love to see remade with today's modern technology. While I think he went over-the-top with the Hobbit films, I'd love to see Peter Jackson's directing style applied to The Neverending Story.
 
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The Neverending Story is a movie that I absolutely love, but it's also a movie that I would love to see remade with today's modern technology. While I think he went over-the-top with the Hobbit films, I'd love to see Peter Jackson's directing style applied to The Neverending Story.

Yes, and the same characters. They must be very young.
Jackson would rock it.
The movies should be based more closely on the novel. A trilogy would be in order, as there is much stuff to deal with.
 
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I could imagine The Neverwnding Story in a simular visual style as Avatar with wild colorful CGI imagery for Phantasia and 100% live action 2D for the real world scenes.
 
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As I'm not a fan of too many visual tricks I would prefer ordinary actors, supported by the computer of course.

As I mentioned in the Planet of the Apes thread, I liked the older movies more, because the apes were actors wearing prostestics. The later movies consisted mostly of computerized apes. But I guess that's just technological progress.
 
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Does Dragonheart count? Or is it still too newish?

The CGI dragon effects are not entirely convincing anymore, but overall it holds up pretty well, and I consider it pretty timeless. :)

Older effects are rarely convincing, but we can still appreciate their ingenuity. Dragonheart's recreation of Sean Connery's facial appearance and movement on a computer-animated creature was groundbreaking, a harbinger of modern performance capture, and thus as important a breakthrough as the go-motion used in Dragonslayer, to pick an apposite comparison.

Although my favorite special-effects dragon in film is the one from the climax of the Korean movie D-Wars or Dragon Wars. It's a really bad movie, but the Chinese-style dragon that appears in the climax is just gorgeously done. I love Chinese dragons in animation -- the one in Spirited Away is just amazing -- and the one in D-Wars is the only photorealistic one I've ever seen.
 
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I could imagine The Neverwnding Story in a simular visual style as Avatar with wild colorful CGI imagery for Phantasia and 100% live action 2D for the real world scenes.

Why not hearken back to its practical roots? There's enough surreal locations on Earth to shoot at to make it seem like a fantasy world. And judging by what JJ has done with the aliens in the new Star Wars movies, I think that is a pretty fine route to go for the fantasy characters.

To me that would look much better than a CGI fest.
 
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I really need to read the Never Ending Story novel sometime.
 
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