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The Dark Crystal, The Never-Ending Story, and other fantasy classics

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I really need to read the Never Ending Story novel sometime.
:bolian:

I'm not sure if it's as impressive if you read it for the first time as an adult but as a kid ... I was blown away, it was so good.
If you get the novel try to get an edition with colored text, red for our world and green for fantasia.
 
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Some 20 years ago I visited the Bavaria Film Studios in Munich. I got to see Fuchur/Falkor, the Luckdragon in person. ;)
 
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Jackson would rock it.
The movies should be based more closely on the novel. A trilogy would be in order, as there is much stuff to deal with.

If you want it to be based more closely on the novel. then hiring PJ would be the last thing you should do.
Regardless of their quality as movies. his adaption of the Lotr missed the spirit of the novels by miles.
And if you think his Hobbit movies were good adaptions, then you have never read the Hobbit. :)
Talking about mindless action schlock.

On Clash of the Titans. That movie awoke my interest in Greek Mythology when I was a kid and until today I can't picture the Greek gods without bad late 70s hair :lol:.
Maggie Smith rocked as Thetis.

On Legend: I've only ever seen the director's cut if that's the version with the better story, then the non-director's cut must be rather bad (story and characters wise, the movie is still incredibly beautiful)
 
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^The thing about the Hobbit adaptation is that it couldn't just be an adaptation of The Hobbit. Since it came after LOTR instead of before, it had to be a response to LOTR, the film series -- told in a similar vein and tying more directly into it. If it had been made first, then it could've been more like the book, but since it came second, it had to be more like the preceding film trilogy.

Although, granted, I think it could've worked fine as two movies instead of three. The latter two aren't even really separate movies, just one big movie with a yearlong intermission in the middle.
 
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My problem with The NeverEnding Story is that the title is false advertising... ;)

Thank you Mr. Lionel Hutz.


I like almost all of those movies, but I didn't see Legend.

Dark Crystal is wonderful. Princess Bride is a great movie but I actually liked it more after I read the book. There were several character moments that had to be trimmed for a movie but not eliminated that I didn't notice them until the book filled it in. Nice that they weren't cut all together, though.

Time Bandits is great. I love that one. One of the best Robin Hoods ever. And David Warner.


I wish there were more movies like Krull. Just anything goes, a flying castle, sure why not? Giant spider and a cyclops, great!

Clash of Titans was good, but I wish Perseus didn't seem like such a goof. Everything else in there was great, except maybe Poseiden being Zeus's message boy.
 
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It just struck me that all the movies people are talking about are from the '80s or later. There are certainly worthy fantasy films in earlier decades, like The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad, Jason and the Argonauts, and -- what the heck -- Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
 
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Since we had a thread for old sci-fi movies, I thought it might be fun to do one for old fantasy movies.
My favorites are The Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, and The Never-Ending Story. All three movies created really cool worlds, with some great characters, and memorable scenes.
I like Willow too, but nowhere near as much as those three.
Another big one that comes up a lot is Conan: The Barbarian, but I've only seen it once and don't really remember it.

Sadly the only thing that stuck with me after watching The Never-ending Story the disappointment that it was so much worse than the novel and didn't even cover the whole novel. :(

I did love the novel as a kid, though. Wonderful book.
 
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For fans of the Dark Crystal, I'd recommend Brian Froud's excellent companion book if you're not familiar with it. It fills in a lot of details that the movie couldn't go into regarding the world of Thra and its inhabitants as well as having great artwork. Also, there's a nice score on YT with several tracks that were for deleted scenes (chiefly the Skeksis funeral song and the extended Mystic one, of which about two thirds survived in the final film).

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxzzlpX1Dms[/yt]
 
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I think a lot of the material in Creation Myths came from Froud and was also used in WoDC.

I have seen Legend, and I can't remember real clearly but I'm pretty sure I enjoyed it. I have no idea which version it was though because I just got whatever version they had on Netflix. I just checked the Netflix page and it says the version they have is 114 minutes, but it doesn't say if it's the directors cut.
 
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The Dark Crystal was one of the earliest movies I saw in the theater, after Raiders of the Lost Ark and Star Trek II. The Skeksis are really scary, yet not too scary to a five year old. The making of special was also really good. Jim Henson and others take you not only into the design process, but also how things worked (to a point).

It is basically a muppet movie...just with Legendary quality muppets.
 
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I have seen Legend, and I can't remember real clearly but I'm pretty sure I enjoyed it. I have no idea which version it was though because I just got whatever version they had on Netflix. I just checked the Netflix page and it says the version they have is 114 minutes, but it doesn't say if it's the directors cut.

If it's 114 minutes, then it's the director's cut. The original US release was 89 minutes. (Also, the DC has the original Goldsmith score instead of the replacement Tangerine Dream score.)


It is basically a muppet movie...just with Legendary quality muppets.

Actually Henson and his people would've objected to that characterization, and indeed frequently did when people made it at the time. They wanted to differentiate what they were doing in The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth from their previous Muppet work, so they insisted that the created entities in those movies should be called "creatures," not Muppets. In their own terms, Muppets are a specific category of Henson creation.

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Muppet_vs_Creature
The term Muppet is used on Muppet Wiki to define the group of puppet characters created by Jim Henson and the Jim Henson Company. Although most commonly used to define the characters from the world of The Muppet Show (and its directly related productions) -- characters such as Kermit the Frog, Fozzie Bear, Miss Piggy, and Gonzo –- the term Muppet is also officially used to define many other puppets built by the Jim Henson Workshop, including those for shows such as Sesame Street and Fraggle Rock. The spirit of a Muppet character is stylized, simplified, and symbolic. Kermit the Frog is not trying to pass as a realistic talking frog, but more as an artistic, almost cartoon-like, character that entertains and captivates audiences.
The term Creature is used to define the group of life-like animatronic and special-effect driven puppet characters created by the Jim Henson Creature Shop. This includes characters such as Jen (from The Dark Crystal), Pilot (from Farscape), the animals from Babe, and many others. The art of a "creature" is to achieve a sense of realism and believability. Unlike the Muppets, these characters are trying to get the audience to believe they are real. (Jen is a "real" Gelfing; and Pilot is a "real" alien.) The "Creature" characters are much more life-like, detailed, and technically advanced when compared to Muppet characters.
 
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OMG Wizards...... saw that on TV one night when I was still very much a very uptight 14 year old and was positively outraged by the amount of dirtiness in that movie... :lol:
Also the mutants randomly becoming Nazis is a bit....random/cliche because you know there were no other vile cultures in the history of mankind :rolleyes:.

When it comes to the Bakshi fantasy movies I do like Fire and Ice however,the 1983 movie. It's like an animated Conan the Barbarian movie :guffaw:
The retro-scoping in that one is much better than in Bakshi's LoTR, but it does have a few unfortunate elements, like the the minions of the bad guy being called "Subhumans".
 
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Does Dragonheart count? Or is it still too newish?

The CGI dragon effects are not entirely convincing anymore, but overall it holds up pretty well, and I consider it pretty timeless. :)

I think they hold just fine.

Dragonheart 3 came out not too long ago as a DTV project, and it's great too! I have little use for 2 however.
 
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OMG Wizards...... saw that on TV one night when I was still very much a very uptight 14 year old and was positively outraged by the amount of dirtiness in that movie... :lol:
Also the mutants randomly becoming Nazis is a bit....random/cliche because you know there were no other vile cultures in the history of mankind :rolleyes:.

When it comes to the Bakshi fantasy movies I do like Fire and Ice however,the 1983 movie. It's like an animated Conan the Barbarian movie :guffaw:
The retro-scoping in that one is much better than in Bakshi's LoTR, but it does have a few unfortunate elements, like the the minions of the bad guy being called "Subhumans".

Part of the in-universe rationalization of the use of Nazis depended on Blackwolf finding archival film. There were plenty of other evil groups in history, but for it to work in the context of the film, it had to be a group that existed between the invention of motion pictures and the Apocalypse.

From a production stand-point, archival footage was used, and then image-processed and rotoscoped, to save money. Although other choices might have been feasible too, this points to use of Nazis again, since it narrows it down to real-world footage that must exist, basically between the 1930s and 1970s.

In that time frame there's really only one choice that would come to mind, that everyone watching the film is going to know about, that moreover was well-known for its use of propaganda and psychological warfare (e.g. the Stuka dive-bomber wail), the plot point being after all that the archival film is being used as a propaganda tool.

Part of the point here is that, although real-world humans haven't discovered fairy magic, we can pat ourselves on the back for having excelled in the evil department, so much so that wizards of the future will look to 20th century mankind for lessons in how to be evil. It's a pretty direct criticism of human nature. Again, that makes it work better with the use of actual Nazis.

Just my take. :shrug:
 
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Part of the in-universe rationalization of the use of Nazis depended on Blackwolf finding archival film. There were plenty of other evil groups in history, but for it to work in the context of the film, it had to be a group that existed between the invention of motion pictures and the Apocalypse.

From a production stand-point, archival footage was used, and then image-processed and rotoscoped, to save money. Although other choices might have been feasible too, this points to use of Nazis again, since it narrows it down to real-world footage that must exist, basically between the 1930s and 1970s.

In that time frame there's really only one choice that would come to mind, that everyone watching the film is going to know about, that moreover was well-known for its use of propaganda and psychological warfare (e.g. the Stuka dive-bomber wail), the plot point being after all that the archival film is being used as a propaganda tool.

Part of the point here is that, although real-world humans haven't discovered fairy magic, we can pat ourselves on the back for having excelled in the evil department, so much so that wizards of the future will look to 20th century mankind for lessons in how to be evil. It's a pretty direct criticism of human nature. Again, that makes it work better with the use of actual Nazis.

Just my take. :shrug:

True!
It was not just the need for an evil group, it was the need for an evil group that made extensive use of film as a propaganda tool. That does narrows the selection tremendously.
Now the choice almost seems a genius one on the side of the film makers.

Thanks for pointing that out ;)
 
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I think a lot of the material in Creation Myths came from Froud and was also used in WoDC.

I think you're mostly right, though there do seem to be small differences. Aughra mentions in World how she lost her eye (it was the only thing exposed to watch the Great Conjunction when the urSkeks arrived; the rest of her body was protected under rocks), but this doesn't seem to reflect the artwork in CM. I also got the impression from Aughra's description of the division that it was an unintended side effect of what the urSkeks hoped to achieve (they were trying to use the crystal's energy to rid themselves of evil), but CM seems to suggest the split was purely accidental while they were trying to return home, and that Aughra's son might have unwittingly triggered it.

I could be wrong of course, and those details are so minor they don't bother me from a continuity perspective. :)
 
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Has anybody else here read The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths? It's a prequel graphic novel trilogy that covers the entire history of Thra from it's creation at least through to the fall of the Gelflings. The first two have come out so far and they are awesome. The third and final volume comes out this September.
The same publishers, Archaia, who are now part of Boom! Studios had planned on also doing a Labyrinth comic, but I haven't heard much about it since they originally go the Jim Henson contract, so I don't know if it's ever actually coming out.
OH, yes! Read them several times from cover to cover. Eagerly awaiting Vol. 3 in the next few months. I was always fascinated by the UrSkeks and their pursuit of purging their Skeksis selves from their spirits and the struggles they endured because of it.

Dark Crystal is, literally, my top favorite movie of all-time. Yes, it contains some creatures that are archetypal in all fantasy movies & books, but on the whole it was probably one of the most original and imaginative movies I've ever seen in my life. Sadly, with all the problems they've been having to make the sequel, I doubt it will be as good, but I am hoping.
 
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