Star Trek: Axanar

[TerryMcIntosh]

So much snark and acrimony. High noise to signal ratio. Getting close to closing thread. Will see if posters can change the direction/tone before I do.

Agreed. As a member of the Axanar team I'm happy to participate in a thread if folks have questions or comments on our effort, but, speaking only for me, I couldn't care less about these personal attacks and wacky tangents about who is right about some irrelevant minutia. Folks, it's JUST a media franchise -- an awesome one -- but let's not take our Trek a bit TOO seriously... please? It's supposed to be entertaining, because it's entertainment, and if we aren't having fun then why even bother at all?

 

[fireproof78]

Terry,

can you give some insight in to what sources are used for the story in Axanar?

I rewatched Prelude to get some better idea of the history, but a quick read on Memory Alpha and a couple of other sites gave scant information. I was curious how the whole story had unfolded.

 

[F. King Daniel]

This is a question I asked waaaay back when Prelude debuted and the answer then was negative, but I'm curious if anyone involved with the old FASA Trek game has weighed in on Axanar. I'd love to see the reactions of the writers of The Four Years War booklet upon seeing what they inspired decades later.

 

[TerryMcIntosh]

Terry,

can you give some insight in to what sources are used for the story in Axanar?

I rewatched Prelude to get some better idea of the history, but a quick read on Memory Alpha and a couple of other sites gave scant information. I was curious how the whole story had unfolded.

Axanar has two fundamental seeds that germinated in to the idea from Alec on the premise -- Garth, Kirk's hero whose exploits were required reading at Starfleet Academy as mentioned in the TOS episode Whom Gods Destroy, and the FASA material on the Four Years War with the Klingons.

Everything else about Axanar is wholly original work, including the characters, the Ares-class starship, and the war itself, as none of that appears in canon due to that era largely being ignored except possibly in the EU materials which CBS has stated isn't canon. Axanar respects prime universe canon in all things, but where there are gaps, and those gaps that we can fill don't offend canon, then we have room to make our own story as we're doing.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Sounds reasonable enough...

Seriously, I know it sounds like fanboi preening (and I hate when I see that that crap), but I do think it's a great idea and am genuinely looking forward to seeing more.

 

[TerryMcIntosh]

This is a question I asked waaaay back when Prelude debuted and the answer then was negative, but I'm curious if anyone involved with the old FASA Trek game has weighed in on Axanar. I'd love to see the reactions of the writers of The Four Years War booklet upon seeing what they inspired decades later.

To my knowledge, no one involved with the legacy FASA material has contacted Axanar, nor have we attempted to contact any of them.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Most of those guys who built the system back then probably don't even know this project is going on, I wager.

If there's a legal issue that is ever in question, honestly, I don't think anyone at FASA cares anymore. I can't remember the whole interaction clearly, but I thought they dropped the Trek RPG license because Paramount wanted too much money and they wanted to put all their eggs in the Shadowrun project at the time. It may be an absurdly over-simplified adolescent-biased remembrance of something that happened 30+ years ago, but I think that was the general gist.

 

[Tom Servo]

It's not that my opinion was any less or more valid, it's that your basic premise was factually flawed and you seemingly had no concept of how the industry worked.

I do find it funny that many folks talk about facts and objectivity but then are in bitter denial when someone that actually works in the industry comes in and shoots them down.

who works where and who does what has ZERO basis when it comes to a persons own personal choice of favorite.
A members own personal opinion does not need to be justified, and people lecturing him because of his opinion serves no purpose.

If a person thinks rightly or wrongly the graphics in one movie is better that is his choice, and whether you or someone else works in the industry dont mean squat to a members personal preference, no matter how much you try to lecture or make out you are better qualified to decide.

I know this might be hard for some to digest or grasp, but give it a try.

If this was a stylized project, then I'd agree that it's all subjective. But the goal of the VFX for this film, and most live action films, is photorealism. And to say that this accomplishes that as well as the Abrams' films is just a subjective statement that you can wave off as opinion. There are technical reasons why it doesn't. There are factual reasons.

Again for the budget, and the now knowing the amount of time Tobias had to work on it, it's very impressive work. I'm sure it will be further polished as the film progresses it's production.

 

[BigJake]

So much snark and acrimony. High noise to signal ratio. Getting close to closing thread. Will see if posters can change the direction/tone before I do.

Agreed. As a member of the Axanar team I'm happy to participate in a thread if folks have questions or comments on our effort, but, speaking only for me, I couldn't care less about these personal attacks and wacky tangents about who is right about some irrelevant minutia.

+1, definitely.

 

[Noname Given]

And still you continue to whine cos you did not like my opinion.
I actually pity you and people like you that cannot accept others having an opinion that differs.

You spend your time trying to coerce , change or disparage against those that dare to go against your opinion which you think is superior to everyone elses.

Not once has anyone said your opinion was wrong or questioned yours, yet you do not afford the same respect to others.
You think you are smarter, or clever when in fact you come across as a bitter frustrated childlike person who throws a strop cos someone said something you dont agree with.

Posting childlike gifs and pics is your idea of you being clever.
I could resort to making my own pics. in photoshop and really rile you up but its simply not worth the bother, I actually pity you

IMO - Very interesting that you seem to be unable to stand the fact that others have an opinion about your opinion.

 

[gazomg]

And still you continue to whine cos you did not like my opinion.
I actually pity you and people like you that cannot accept others having an opinion that differs.

You spend your time trying to coerce , change or disparage against those that dare to go against your opinion which you think is superior to everyone elses.

Not once has anyone said your opinion was wrong or questioned yours, yet you do not afford the same respect to others.
You think you are smarter, or clever when in fact you come across as a bitter frustrated childlike person who throws a strop cos someone said something you dont agree with.

Posting childlike gifs and pics is your idea of you being clever.
I could resort to making my own pics. in photoshop and really rile you up but its simply not worth the bother, I actually pity you

IMO - Very interesting that you seem to be unable to stand the fact that others have an opinion about your opinion.

Where have I once told someone their opinion is wrong ?
Where have I posted a gif in reply with the words bullshit in it. or claimed because of "my job" my opinion is therefore better than others ?


Thats right, I did not.



People can disagree with my opinion as is their right, however unless you are blind or obtuse its pretty clear some on here are not content to accept others opinion but think theirs is somewhat superior and they think they are obligated to dictate theirs as if others are simply gonna chance their personal choice simply cos some ego tripper thinks he knows better.

Already mods have threatened to close this thread, , you saw the post and yet still chose to ignore it, so since you quoted me in your post I feel I have the right to reply.
Should this thread then be closed I am sure you can console yourself in blaming me as no doubt people like you are never wrong

 

[BillJ]

I'm still interested in the answer to Harvey's finance question.

 

[Amaris]

Decisions that were to be made are being made by older experienced people, hence why kirk in the recent trek films being a captain of the flagship vessel at such a young age prancing around the galaxy is beyond ridiculous.
Picard and his older age and "experience" was just right for TNG, Sisko was hardly a spring chicken and he was only a commander.

Um, seeing as Kirk was 32 in season 1 of TOS and the writer's bible had him having commanded the ship for 4 years at that point Kirk Prime would have been 28 when he became captain of the Enterprise.

Which thought was ridiculous. also.
You validated my point

As for kirk in the abrams movies, that is just completely retarded, he sneaks on to the ship and by the time the movie is over he is captain

Only in the mind of JJ could something like that happen.

Shut. Up.

 

[Kemaiku]

Captain Pike left him in charge of the Enterprise, after having relentlessly trying to get him into the Academy to set him on the path to being there.

Pike was by no means an idiot, and from what we saw he was one of Starfleets finest captains. Turning over the flagship was not something he would do on a whim, emergency or not.

Kirk obtained command only slightly earlier in this timeline than he did in the prime one. And since the Enterprise is still around, even after the onslaught of the Vengeance, we can see that he and the rest of the crew are as capable as their other selves.

This has been gone over in about three quarters of the screen time of both movies together and a central plot point of the second movie. Nevermind at migraine inducing lengths here on the forum.

Dismissive non-criticism is pointless, and transparently an attempt to provoke rather than discuss.

 

[gazomg]

Um, seeing as Kirk was 32 in season 1 of TOS and the writer's bible had him having commanded the ship for 4 years at that point Kirk Prime would have been 28 when he became captain of the Enterprise.

Which thought was ridiculous. also.
You validated my point

As for kirk in the abrams movies, that is just completely retarded, he sneaks on to the ship and by the time the movie is over he is captain

Only in the mind of JJ could something like that happen.

Shut. Up.

I must certainly wont be told by you,

If someone quotes a post of mine with a comment I have every right to reply, .
Get use to it.

Have to anything to add on Axanar?
Or is that your thing going around acting ignorant ?

 

[Karzak]

Captain Pike left him in charge of the Enterprise, after having relentlessly trying to get him into the Academy to set him on the path to being there.

Pike was by no means an idiot, and from what we saw he was one of Starfleets finest captains. Turning over the flagship was not something he would do on a whim, emergency or not.

Kirk obtained command only slightly earlier in this timeline than he did in the prime one. And since the Enterprise is still around, even after the onslaught of the Vengeance, we can see that he and the rest of the crew are as capable as their other selves.

This has been gone over in about three quarters of the screen time of both movies together and a central plot point of the second movie. Nevermind at migraine inducing lengths here on the forum.

More to the point, the very act of giving Kirk a starship command at so young an age is called very much into question at the beginning of Into Darkness and plays into Kirk's character arc throughout that film -- Is he really ready? How far will he go? etc.

Dismissive non-criticism is pointless, and transparently an attempt to provoke rather than discuss.

Agreed.

I'm still interested in the answer to Harvey's finance question.

As am I.

 

[Amaris]

Which thought was ridiculous. also.
You validated my point

As for kirk in the abrams movies, that is just completely retarded, he sneaks on to the ship and by the time the movie is over he is captain

Only in the mind of JJ could something like that happen.

Shut. Up.

I must certainly wont be told by -

*rolls up window*

*plays "Spirit in the Sky" on his ukulele.*

 

[BillJ]

Shut. Up.

I must certainly wont be told by -

*rolls up window*

*plays "Spirit in the Sky" on his ukulele.*

He definitely ain't worth getting an infraction over, J.

 

[Kemaiku]

Or is that your thing going around acting ignorant ?

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Pike was by no means an idiot, and from what we saw he was one of Starfleets finest captains. Turning over the flagship was not something he would do on a whim, emergency or not.

More to the point, the very act of giving Kirk a starship command at so young an age is called very much into question at the beginning of Into Darkness and plays into Kirk's character arc throughout that film -- Is he really ready? How far will he go? etc.

True, but I do like how Into Darkness spent the movie asking that question rather than just not bothering to acknowledge it at all.

Hopefully we'll see similar depth to Garth's story, finding himself in this situation at a young age and how he deals with the decisions of command throughout the battle.

 

[BillJ]

Hopefully we'll see similar depth to Garth's story, finding himself in this situation at a young age and how he deals with the decisions of command throughout the battle.

Do we have any idea what age they're going to portray Garth as being in Axanar? His age doesn't come up at all in "Whom Gods Destroy" and it would be hard to gauge his true age with the shape shifting ability he had.