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Star Trek: Axanar

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But a fan production isn't hobbled by the same concerns. It isn't dependent on mass ticket sales and has the freedom to explore more off-the-beaten-path ideas.

Which is why it isn't fair to try and compare fan and professional projects. IMO.


True.

However some have not compared but in my case made a simple statement or preference for Axanar.

Like you opinion or that or anyone else, mine own included it is just personal choice and has little basis in actual fact but what we prefer.
Some will prefer one movie others prefer another or look forward to one and maybe not the other as in my case.

Why some people feel so threatened, insulted etc over how another person on the internet prefers a fan production over a mainstream production is staggering
 
Hell, I was on Facebook last week and mentioned that I liked the NuTrek films, and was told, in no uncertain terms, that "I didn't really know" Star Trek.

I laughed, and laughed.

How I see it is like this:

The original series is, of course, official Star Trek. Berman Era Trek is official Star Trek. NuTrek is official Star Trek.

Axanar isn't official Star Trek, but it's still Star Trek, along with ST:C, Exeter, Hidden Frontiers, Excelsior, and so on.

They are indeed. And I do still like the idea of exploring more of Trek's important historical moments, the battle of Axanar isn't one that we've gotten much about until now.

And depending how well this goes I could see it becoming part of a lot of fans personal headcanon of the pre-TOS era.

But at the end of the day it's still a fan production and shouldn't be compared to something Hollywood can produce, because that's setting an unrealistic expectation or making an unfair comparison.

Is it better than anything JJ Abrams has ever made? as others have said, no. Is it better than the current Trek movies? from a technical standpoint, or a cultural impact, no. The important point is that neither of those things are remotely relevant to Axanar's production.

And I find it annoying and laughable at the same time that the very people dragging down Axanar discussion by bringing up the JJverse and going on about it at length, are the very people who hate it the most, who for some reason felt the need to drag it into this discussion. Whereas JJ supporters, did not bring it up, except to inquire about the ships being used from it.

Either way, this film is going to be judged on what it manages to accomplish on it's own. And I'd hope after it airs, that the same people will not come in here bringing up how they thought it compared to those movies and continuing the derailing.
 
Take it up with GR who, despite all his faults, worked hard to establish Trek as appealing to a bar set higher than the LCD entertainments of the day, a policy that was continued through all the modern Treks up to the 09 film.

The evidence of history, sir, is against you.

Um, yes and no. Not to be argumentative, but GR modeled it on the Westerns of the times, selling it as "action/adventure" with some "social commentary. Science fiction provided a platform for telling a multitude of stories without being bound to one specific time, society, or place. He could have the commentary that he wanted on society, without necessarily pointing fingers at a specific aspect of of American society (with due respect to fans from other countries).

I think Trek 09 carried forward that spirit with a lot more energy, but I saw action, I saw adventure, I saw commentary. So, it works as Star Trek for me.

Obviously, and rather ridiculous to restate but I will, other people will have different experiences.

There are some specific reasons why Prelude was the way that it was, specifically the retrospective documentary and interview style of presentation. Some were creative -- wanted to do something different and fresh to pitch the concept and prove what we could do with the money that we had. Others were practical -- having only the money that we had not being low on the list.

The vast majority of the feedback that we've received from fans, pros, and media has been overwhelmingly positive in the near year since it premiered and was released to donors and YouTube. That said, the coming feature will not only have a much larger budget, but it also has more creative talent behind it, not to mention that it will unfold as a traditional film narrative -- as-you-were-there style -- as any Star Trek film from Paramount has done. Thankfully, and this is only my personal opinion, although it may be shared by many, the feature-length film will be largely practically shot on real sets and that should surely kick things up a notch.

Speaking only for myself, one of my jobs is wrangling the displays on the sets; everything from ordering the monitors and video devices that will play the animations, but perhaps even a few goodies that involve very large touch screens. All of that will be practical effects, too, and we're not using TOS repro graphics. Our in house art department has created a new computer interface system that we believe strongly, after a bazillion hours of development, will bridge the gap between the ENT and TOS designs. They'll be practical though, since we're working from the place that technology is today and not what technology of the future was thought to look like 50 years ago. That said... they'll be very familiar, too.

It's a wild ride, but by the time the film premieres, if we all aren't already on a mental hold from exhaustion, we'll be dropping off the grid for a few weeks to an undisclosed location that doesn't even have soup cans and string for outside communication. =P

Terry,

thank you for your response. I know that the Axanar team has put a lot of time, blood, sweat, tears, money and everything else in to the project, and (having done fan film projects) I appreciate the effort.

That said, I meant nothing against Prelude in my comments. I love the documentary style of Prelude, and think more fan productions would do well to take that as inspiration. I can recall a similar one for Star Wars based around the battle of Hoth. They did a (then) History Channel style documentary, with voiceovers reciting quotes from famous people at the battle.

Also, having done just basics of tracking finger movements for a graphic display, I'm impressed by all the displays that have to be done. Again, my comments are not meant to denigrate the work you all have done. Instead, it is that I am hoping that it is a film that I cannot wait to see, and appreciate the full story, characters, and events.

Thank you for your response and please continue the good work!

Zero offense or concern was taken by your comment, sir or maam, and I hope that it didn't come across that way. Sometimes the blood caffeine level spikes and I get a bit overtly wordy with my replies though, and to all I apologize in adance. =P

I prefer wordy responses, as I am prone to them myself.:cool:
 
Anyone here want to talk about Axanar?

There are a dozen other threads to debate the merits and shortcomings of Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness.

Just saying...

Nope. Not interested. *sarcasm, just to be clear*

Honestly, I need to revisit Prelude simply because the impression it left on me was the events, and not really the characters. Which is fine, and seems to be what it was going for. The idea of this historical run-up to Axanar and the people involved.

Personally, I am also curious about behind-the-scenes action and how the actors are doing with each of their roles. I love BTS stuff and actors insights in, to their projects.

:drool::drool::drool: I too love the BTS so much, I went for the backer package with the BTS DVD set. Now I have to wait until next year to get it. :bolian::bolian::bolian:
 
What is "better?"

If something entertains and interests you and another something doesn't (or not nearly as much) then it's likely the one you enjoy more is going to be seen as "better."

What someone defines as "better" is going to be based on certain parameters deemed important by the individual. The work that fulfills those parameters is going to be seen as "better" by the individual.
 
While this person told me to encourage team Axanar to send him a proposal, he did not respond to it when they did, (not even to say 'no')
Let me guess...Paul Reubens? No, wait...Fred Savage! ;)

I wish that I could shed light on this, but I have no idea. Casting is strictly an Alec thing and he tends to do things two fold -- invest a bit of time to see who might be available, and then once he's decided on who might be right for a role then he contacts only that person and focuses on them.
 
The Battle of Axanar allowed Spock and Kirk to work together as brothers. I take it that Vulcan was going to leave, but that one victory was enough to make it "logical" to remain in the Federation. Improving Human and Vulcan relations. Both Spock and Kirk were already alive at this point in time.

Well seeing as Prelude treats it as the end of the war between the Federation and the Klingons Vulcan probably just wanted to get out of the war and with it effectively over they probably didn't see a need to leave anymore.
 
As I understand it Axanar takes place two decades before the TOS era with Kirk and Spock aboard the Enterprise. So while they could be alive they would each have been quite young.

Kirk and Spock "serving as brothers" could merely be a poetic way of describing what the Federation is seen to represent.
 
As I understand it Axanar takes place two decades before the TOS era with Kirk and Spock aboard the Enterprise. So while they could be alive they would each have been quite young.

Not exactly, Axanar predates even the Pike era as they've shown in some footage events will happen just as the Enterprise is finished assembling. They were supposed to have Michael Hogan as Robert April at some point, but that plan has been changed...

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My bad... Don't know how reliable the following is (http://www.comicvine.com/james-t-kirk/4005-20078/forums/comparison-of-timelines-394849/) but it mentions Kirk being 12 years old at the start of April's tenure on the early Enterprise, so ...
 
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Exactly, Kirk would be 11-12 and Spock about 14?

Kirk mentions Garths victory and tactics bring required reading at the Academy, so he and Spock would have studied the same history lesson, but it seemed to have far more of an impact on Kirk, making aspire to be a starship Captain all the more.

But as they didn't meet (in the Prime timeline) until the five year mission, it's a stretch to say it affected them at the time.

Unless you mean it shaped the course of Kirk's life enough for him to obtain the captaincy at a young age and therefore to befriend Spock when he did, in which case, okay.
 
Honestly, I need to revisit Prelude simply because the impression it left on me was the events, and not really the characters. Which is fine, and seems to be what it was going for. The idea of this historical run-up to Axanar and the people involved.

I thought some nice character touches came out, although the format only allows for minimal brush-strokes: Kharn as something of a philosopher-warrior and the sort who recognizes and respects his enemy (though they remain the enemy); Garth as surprisingly self-effacing, soft-spoken and modest; Travis as a gruff personality with a wry sense of gallows humour. One of the best things about it, actually.
 
Overall, nice beginning.

However, the political jargon didn't make sense: the council has already cast their vote, but the council's decision will soon be final?!? All that's left is ratification, meaning that the council must ratify its own vote, given that the council still has something left to do??? No. The universal translator must be broken.

Anyway, I really like Ambassador Soval. He was one of my favorite ENT characters.
 
Vulcan looks beautiful, I'm not sure a native Vulcan (the actress, sorry I'm not familiar with the cast) should be squinting so much but it was a nice scene.
 
Overall, nice beginning.

However, the political jargon didn't make sense: the council has already cast their vote, but the council's decision will soon be final?!? All that's left is ratification, meaning that the council must ratify its own vote, given that the council still has something left to do??? No. The universal translator must be broken.

Anyway, I really like Ambassador Soval. He was one of my favorite ENT characters.

The Council (Senate) votes. The Administrator (President) signs in to law. Since there's no canon to say either way, the American system works well, since it's familiar.
 
Overall, nice beginning.

However, the political jargon didn't make sense: the council has already cast their vote, but the council's decision will soon be final?!? All that's left is ratification, meaning that the council must ratify its own vote, given that the council still has something left to do??? No. The universal translator must be broken.

Anyway, I really like Ambassador Soval. He was one of my favorite ENT characters.

The Council (Senate) votes. The Administrator (President) signs in to law. Since there's no canon to say either way, the American system works well, since it's familiar.

:lol:

Yeah, but the point is that the first thing stated was that the council had just cast their vote. Then it's about getting the council to change their mind before the process of secession concludes by ratification. Sorry, but it literally makes no sense. Either it's passed out of the council's hands or it hasn't. And if it hasn't, then why make the point that they've already cast their vote?
 
Sorry, but it literally makes no sense. Either it's passed out of the council's hands or it hasn't.

(EDIT: On reflection what the dialogue actually implies is that the "formality" of ratification is in Soval's hands -- but that it's only a "formality" by way of tradition, and that should he wish to break with tradition he can turn the "formality" into a real political battle. This kind of weaponization, as it were, of the traditional "formality" actually sounds like something we've seen play out frequently in recent real life politics in America. So I think Terry's parallel holds just fine.)
 
That's not what ratification means, though, which is why I suggested at first that perhaps the wrong English words were used in translation.

Once a body has passed a resolution on to be ratified, it's out of their hands and in the hands of the body actually considering the ratification. Yet Soval continues to speak as if it's council that should change its mind. That's what doesn't make sense. It can't be council who has to change its collective mind, but rather it must be that whatever unnamed body that is expected to rubber stamp the ratification has to be persuaded not to ratify the resolution to secede, which can't be council itself. That is, of course, unless the wrong English words have been used in translation, or this political organization doesn't operate the way real-world political entities do, take your pick. ;)

By the way, I didn't get that ratification was in Soval's hands.
 
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