What I thought of when Sansa and Theon jumped...
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Game Of Thrones Season 5 TV Only Discussion (Spoilers)
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Well we can officially say the Sansa/Jeyne Poole story line was a waste of time. Sansa didn't do anything in Winterfell but suffer more abuse. Why didn't they have her stay in the Eyrie again? I know they want to utilize the actress/character (since in the books Sansa and Littlefinger don't do much in Feast of Crows or TDOD) but what was it all for?
Isn't it obvious? To rape Sansa and generate controversy.
For somebody to be recognized as an heir in this world they need to either be the offspring of the man's legal wife or be naturalized by an edict from the King. I don't think Gendry will be leading any armies. But maybe Varys or Baelish will manage to take over through influence.
There's no way a group solely dedicated to murder everybody in the world could possibly be described as 'Noble'. That's moral relativism stretched to it's absurdest extreme. At best they are an amoral force of nature. They might end up winning in the end, but that wouldn't make it a happy ending, and I think it would be a pretty weak ending. It's far more likely to me that much of the human race gets wiped out and all of Westeros lies in shambles, but the walkers are barely driven off by tree magic. To me the protagonists in the world are all the average people not involved in the story just trying to survive. Of named characters you can only really make cases for Tyrion and Bran among survivors.
I don't think the church has the power to overthrow King's Landing. They're just able to do whatever they want now because Cersei enabled them and Tommen doesn't want to give the order to slaughter them. If even if they did, the moment it happened just anybody with an effective army could march in and sack the city with minimal resistance.
There's no way a group solely dedicated to murder everybody in the world could possibly be described as 'Noble'. That's moral relativism stretched to it's absurdest extreme. At best they are an amoral force of nature. They might end up winning in the end, but that wouldn't make it a happy ending, and I think it would be a pretty weak ending. It's far more likely to me that much of the human race gets wiped out and all of Westeros lies in shambles, but the walkers are barely driven off by tree magic. To me the protagonists in the world are all the average people not involved in the story just trying to survive. Of named characters you can only really make cases for Tyrion and Bran among survivors.
I don't think the church has the power to overthrow King's Landing. They're just able to do whatever they want now because Cersei enabled them and Tommen doesn't want to give the order to slaughter them. If even if they did, the moment it happened just anybody with an effective army could march in and sack the city with minimal resistance.
Is the story here actually about to begin - (guess not spoiler) - her journey with Theon and their interaction as they try to escape?
We don't know what the White Walkers want. It's not like we've gotten any conversations with them. For all we know they might just want to give everyone candy and presents.
Is that why the White Walker in the very first Game of Throne scene cut off the head of a Night's Watch Ranger?
Maybe he wanted to make a candy pinata out of his body
Based on Cersei's walk of shame, it looks like they already control King's Landing right up to the gates of the Red Keep. If Cersei and Tommen are smart enough to call in more armies before going after them, they'll win, but otherwise, I think the King's Guard is going down. As for what happens afterword - they probably couldn't hold the city against the Tyrells, if the Tyrells invaded, which probably wouldn't happen immediately. But at this point, who else would even try? The Boltons, maybe?
If Myrcella is dead, hopes of diplomacy are gone, and King's Landing shows signs of weakness, why not Dorne? Or Denerys? And if Loras and Margery are either killed or released, the Tyrells. ANYONE with an army would invade King's Landing if they gave any indication they couldn't defend themselves.
The Sparrows have at no point displayed any kind of military might. They have power over the peasants because they can't really fight back. At the time Tommen marched to them, it was pretty clear if Tommen weren't a wuss he could have had them slaughtered. If they have military might capable of actually overthrowing the keep, they have not shown it. The way it looks, Zombie Mountain could probably kill them singlehandedly.
That would be a cool ending. The white walkers make it all the way to King's Landing, they arrive, everybody is prepared to be slaughtered and made into a dead army. And they announce... "CANDY FOR EVERYONE!" Monty Python and the Game of Thrones.
The Sparrows have at no point displayed any kind of military might. They have power over the peasants because they can't really fight back. At the time Tommen marched to them, it was pretty clear if Tommen weren't a wuss he could have had them slaughtered. If they have military might capable of actually overthrowing the keep, they have not shown it. The way it looks, Zombie Mountain could probably kill them singlehandedly.
That would be a cool ending. The white walkers make it all the way to King's Landing, they arrive, everybody is prepared to be slaughtered and made into a dead army. And they announce... "CANDY FOR EVERYONE!" Monty Python and the Game of Thrones.
Cersei apparently changed something in their constitution or laws to give the Sparrows legal and political powers. Or restore their power, since they once had it long ago.
It's like the secular government is paralyzed to do anything against them.
In the end it might not matter anyway.
Once Cersei gets back to her castle, she's going to go bat shit and into slaughter mode. There's no way she can live this down-- a lot of people are going to be in trouble.
I get the spite move behind killing Mycella, but beyond stupid. In Dorne, they could get away with the plan, but doesn't it kinda fail when they gave their own hostage back? The prince's body will be washing ashore before they clear the harbor. I mean, come on. Unless they just don't care about him, seemed beyond poor planning...
Well, killing Mycella is dumber than a bag of hammers, but it's the Sand Snakes doing it, gleefully defying Doran even if he probably kills them for it. If it causes a war, then it's a lot of dead Lanisters even if none of them live to see it.
All very accurate descriptors for the entire Dorne arc this season, now that you mention it. Shame Alexander Siddig was wasted on such a shallow plotline where the only memorable things were his Persian Xavier and a pair of epic boobs.
At that time, it seemed pretty clear they would put up a real fight, albeit probably not win. By now, they seem to have grown much larger and to have pretty much the entire city on their side. Zombie Mountain is pretty much the only reason I think the King's Guard even still has a chance - and that's mainly because he'll cause the not so devoted to run away in terror...
You missed the whole point.
The Sand Snakes are hoping for Tristane's body to wash up on shore, it would force Doran into war with the Lannisters, which is what the Snakes are after; it is exactly what they are planning.
FYI, the Kingsguard has only seven members, they are the personal bodyguards to the King and royal family. Right now Jamie is their commander, Ser Meryn Trant was just smacking little girls in Bravos before being reacquainted with Aria, and FrankenMountain is another notable member.
Then there are the Goldcloaks, they are the City Watch of King's Landing and basically the city's police force. As their commander "Lord" Janos Slynt betrayed Ned Stark, and carried out the killing of Robert's bastards; for which he was sent to the Wall by Tyrion. It is then that we got to see a tiny, rare glimpse of "justice" in Game Of Thrones when Jon beheaded Slynt.
There is no way that the Kingsguard could take on the Faith Militant, nor is it their job, but the Goldcloaks probably could do it.
I enjoyed season 5 greatly. Something was off in the first 7 episodes, not much seemed to be happening and the usual GoT oomph wasn't quite there. But the last 3 episodes were terrific.
Interestingly the TV ratings reflect that too. The first episode set an all time high for the series with 8 million viewers (for the first airing only). Then there was a gradual decline on the next 6 episodes with episode 7 down to 5.4 million viewers (which was lower than any of season 4 episodes). Then there were rating increases in the last 3 episodes with season finale setting a new all time high of 8.11 million viewers.
Interestingly the TV ratings reflect that too. The first episode set an all time high for the series with 8 million viewers (for the first airing only). Then there was a gradual decline on the next 6 episodes with episode 7 down to 5.4 million viewers (which was lower than any of season 4 episodes). Then there were rating increases in the last 3 episodes with season finale setting a new all time high of 8.11 million viewers.
Remember there is a large contingent of Lannister soldiers in King's Landing in addition to the Kingsguard and Gold Cloaks. They definitely could muster enough force to knock out the Faith Militant. That wouldn't be the main problem, however.
If the FM's and Sparrows were attacked, there would be a massive uprising of the common people that the soldiers would be unable to fend off. When the High Sparrow was fencing with Lady Olena, he threatened as much in return for her threat to cut off the food supply to the city. He feels he has enough raw commonfolk-manpower backing him to basically go and conquer anywhere he wants if his opponents incite him enough to press that button. Quite an effective stalemate they have going on, there, and the Sparrows definitely seem to have the advantage. Well done, Cersei!
If Myrcella is not saved as it very much looks like she won't be, do you see Jamie killing Trystanne in cold blood out of vengeance? That doesn't seem like something his arc has been leading up to and it'd be much smarter to toss him in a dungeon to have a Dornish hostage.
I suppose the moment Cersei found out she would order a much more painful execution than Jamie would deliver.
I suppose the moment Cersei found out she would order a much more painful execution than Jamie would deliver.
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