Star Trek: Axanar

[Karzak]

I didn't like the line.

If you think that just because it didn't offend you it means that the line must therefore be inoffensive to all, then you're wrong. That's not how language works.

Since this is the internet and you'll invariably want to come in and have the last word, go for it.

 

[Kruezerman]

I didn't like the line because it sounded clunky, like just a jumble of words put together.

But I like the fact that Star Trek is being more "mature" in that people actually cuss.

 

[Maurice]

I disliked that line because

a. It was just an inelegant pile of contemporary English misogynistic language as opposed to being something which Klingons would say

and

b. The lone female character gets singled out for this kind of insult, which says more about the writers than it does add anything to the story

 

[Kruezerman]

 

[aalenfae]

I disliked that line because

a. It was just an inelegant pile of contemporary English misogynistic language as opposed to being something which Klingons would say

and

b. The lone female character gets singled out for this kind of insult, which says more about the writers than it does add anything to the story

This. Especially since Klingons have been depicted as being remarkably egalitarian in other Trek works. At least when we start seeing female Klingons.

 

[Kruezerman]

Gowron stated that women were not allowed to serve on the council on "Redemption."

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Especially since Klingons have been depicted as being remarkably egalitarian in other Trek works.

You mean like in "Redemption"?

GOWRON: Women may not serve on the Council.

(ninja'd)

 

[aalenfae]

Gowron stated that women were not allowed to serve on the council on "Redemption."

But women were regarded as equals in combat, which is the context of the film, making it seem inappropriate that a Klingon would single out a female opponent for a sexually-charged and insulting title. At least any more than they'd single out a male opponent in the same way, haha.

Unless something is lost in translation, and the Klingons actually meant it out of reverence. That'd be kind of funny, and more Klingon-ish than the way it's presented.

 

[Maurice]

I stand by my personal objection to the line. You can decide for yourselves if you like it or not.

 

[Kruezerman]

They are warriors. They don't give a flying fuck in space about what is "appropriate" or not.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ This.

 

[aalenfae]

They are warriors. They don't give a flying fuck in space about what is "appropriate" or not.

I meant "inappropriate" in the true sense of the word - that it's not fitting for the established lore of the Klingon culture. Not that it's "inappropriate" to my modern sensibilities.

Of course the Klingons would be inappropriate in what they say/do. But in this particular instance, it would seem to defy their culture, as in their minds, a woman in combat is as worthy an opponent as a man, and they wouldn't feel ashamed to lose to her.

That's why I'm starting to like my idea that it's actually an oblique attempt at praise. Like calling a woman a "bitch whore" is actually pretty flattering to a Klingon woman. That'd be "inappropriate," but very appropriate to Klingons.

 

[Kruezerman]

Hey, if it works for you.

 

[Maurice]

Any creative work isn't just about what it is but about when it was made.

 

[northstar]

I said it back then and I say it now - If that´s the only thing people are nitpicking, then the producers are a very happy bunch...

 

[Maurice]

Honestly, what's the nitpick? Prelude is little more than a glorified trailer with a bunch of talking heads and spaceships.

 

[Kruezerman]

And here we are, arguing over a single line.

Into Darkness had people up in arms because they showed a woman in her undies for a second and a half.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

I had no idea of the hornet's nest I was kicking when I referenced that line.

 

[Kruezerman]

Welcome to TrekBBS.

 

[137th Gebirg]

I had no idea of the hornet's nest I was kicking when I referenced that line.

Oh, yes. It stirred up quite the little kerfuffle last year. Just be glad you didn't ask that darkest of Trek questions: Is the TMP Enterprise Refit considered "Constitution Class" or "Enterprise Class"? That's a world o' hurt you just don't wanna step into, my son...

DON'T NOBODY SAY NOTHIN'!!!