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FIFA corruption arrests

Large parts of the world (i.e. most of it except Europe and North America) see bribery and corruption as normal business practice, so can't see what all the fuss is about.

I think bribery and corruption are also normal business practice in the west

The positive economic impact for 99% of the population is zero.

Perhaps but I still say there is a lot to be said for the opportunity to experience that carnival atmosphere in your own back garden (rather than simply watching in on TV taking place in some western country)

The beautiful game is worldwide and that needs to be reflected in the World Cup hosting. These kinds of huge events can be life affirming and life changing. The positives can be more than just financial

I don't dispute that. I backpacked around Europe in 1998 and got to experience what the World Cup meant to those countries and, by a happy coincidence, I happened to be in Nice, France the night of the final match between France and Brazil when France was the host country. They set up a huge screen in the middle of town and I sat on top of a bus shelter watching the game with tens of thousands of people. When France won it was the most electric atmosphere I've ever seen in my life people literally celebrated (except the one guy wearing a Brazilian flag who got in a fight with about 5 French guys) and car horns honked until well into the late morning the next day and I bought every newspaper I could to keep to remember the occasion even though I know about 30 words of French.

There were three incredibly gorgeous girls each one each in a red, white and blue dress and with a big French flag draped on their back with the corresponding color of the flag matched to the girl in that color dress. I got a quick shot of them from the top of the shelter and I tried like hell to get down quick enough to get a close up and pose with them, but since I was 10 ft up it took me a few seconds to get down and by that time they were lost in the crowd......still regret it to this day.:)

I have issues with France but I was thrilled they won it on that occasion and I got to be involved in something so amazing. I imagine when England won it in '66 the celebration was just as big.

It saddens me that the United States will never have such an event to celebrate because there is no national team that people care about like most countries do about their football team. Even if the US were to win the WC someday the celebrations would be tame by comparison. The closest thing we ever had was the "Miracle on Ice" in the 1980 Olympics and that was a combination of the fact it was in Lake Placid, it was our hated enemy and a bunch of 3rd and 4th tier US players beat one of the greatest hockey teams ever assembled. I doubt those circumstances will ever happen again.

But still when you see a country like Brazil spend such ridiculous sums on back to back events like the WC and Olympics, it shows how screwed up priorities can be.

People think of Rio and hot babes on the beach and Christ looking down over it all when they think of Brazil. The truth though is the country has so many social and economic problems that it's frightening. I read an article a few months ago about the top 20 most dangerous cities in the world and something like 12 of them were in Brazil alone!!!!! Even Medellin, Colombia which used to be a synonymous for the words "brutal murder" wasn't on the chart and has apparently seen huge drops in crime and increased standards of living.

I'm sure Brazil was thrilled when they won the right to host the cup, and some of them will never forget that thrill. I'm also sure though many Brazilians want to forget that cup ever happened because Germany kicked the living shit out of them in epic fashion on their home soil.

Obviously the World Cup and the Olympics aren't going away and some country will always be ready to pick up the tab. I just think when it's a country like Brazil that had to spend so much on getting ready, including building a stadium in the middle of the jungle where all the materials had to be brought inland by ship at extraordinary cost and a facility that will hardly, if ever, be used to close to capacity again, something is SERIOUSLY wrong.

Obviously the money they spent on the Olympics and WC wouldn't magically fix all their problems. I can't help but believe that, if it were put to good use though, that money could drastically change the lives of countless citizens for the better in a long term way.

Instead though they had 4 weeks of being in the spotlight, their usually dominant team get drilled like never before, very little positive economic impact on the country as a whole, and a whole bunch of expensive ass structures that won't be used again for the scale they were designed for and will probably fall into disrepair in short order.

Sometimes you have take off the rose colored glasses and look at it pragmatically and ask is the "experience" of hosting these events really worth it?

Was it worth it for a country with such issues to spend so much?

Is it worth it for all those men who have died in Qatar so they can host a cup in 120 degree heat where everyone playing and watching the game in person is probably going to be completely miserable for 90 minutes?

Well until I have a position to influence such things (read:never) I guess I'll just have to accept that's the way it is.

If you've ever checked out the anti-Olympic organization's websites, you'll find that having them in bigger, wealthier nations isn't great for the citizens of those countries, either: cities that host the Olympics usually have a ton of issues related to homelessness, poverty, policing of vulnerable people (ill-treatment of the homeless and mentally ill), etc. Many consider the Olympics disruptive to host cities of the host nations, and that the money spent on things like this could be spent directly on the poor and vulnerable. The big objection to the Olympics and the World Cup is to the pro-corporate globalization, which sees the corporate nature of the Games/WC – in the form of the IOC/FIFA and its global sponsors - as elitist and fundamentally flawed.

Olympics

No One Is Illegal – Vancouver » Anti Olympics

No Games Chicago

Winner’s Curse? The Economics of Hosting the Olympic Games

Will the Olympics get the economy growing again? Don’t bank on it.

Olympic Resistance Network | Vancouver Media Co-op

World Cup

Anti-World Cup protests across Brazil

Striking Images of Brazil’s Anti-World Cup Protest Movement

Why Are Brazilians Protesting the World Cup?
 
F*** you Blatter !

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

I wonder what they've got on him ?
 
Well he had to go, whilst he might not have been involved any suspected wrong doing, suspected wrong doing happened under his watch and the fact tha there have been arrests seems to suggest enough evidence to amke them we'll have to wait an dsee if they are any prosecutions and convictions. But in order to rebuild confidence in FIFA he had to go.
 
The point being that "only" European arrogance has the power to scare FIFA into making changes.

Because Europeans have done such a great job so far?
Inside FIFA? :devil:

Or do you mean UEFA that's being run oh-so-well. Remind me... how is Michel Platini's son making a shitload of money from his involvement with the Qatar World Cup again?

UEFA isn't as much of a mess as FIFA is but let's not kid ourselves.
 
Because Europeans have done such a great job so far?
Inside FIFA? :devil:

Or do you mean UEFA that's being run oh-so-well. Remind me... how is Michel Platini's son making a shitload of money from his involvement with the Qatar World Cup again?

UEFA isn't as much of a mess as FIFA is but let's not kid ourselves.

Laurent Platini works for a French based Qatar company. He has nothing to do with the Qatar World Cup bid and certainly hasn't made any moment from it. Unless you know something I don't

One corrupt institution at a time love

If the little ones see the big one brought down, the little ones might pull their socks up

Figo ftw
 
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Laurent Platini works for a French based Qatar company.

Laurent Platini has been working for Qatar Sports Investment since early 2011. The World Cup was given to Qatar in December 2010. Qatar Sports Investment is owned by Qatar's state fund Qatar Investment Authority so it's not just a random France-based Qatar company.
Qatar's world cup bid was headed by the son of the Emir of Qatar and backed by... you guessed it... the Qatar Investment Authority.

Whether or not that's a coincidence is anybody's guess but I do see a little conflict of interest there. Platini lobbying to take away the WC from Qatar might threaten his son's position in a company that is directly owned by the exact same people who are running that WC.


One corrupt institution at a time love

Do I know you?
Just wondering because calling a random person "love" in a conversation seems a bit dismissive. We're two adults who hardly know each other debating FIFA on the internet.

Don't call me baby.
It gives a false sense of intimacy to a total non-relationship. We are not friends, we are not a couple, you probably don’t even know my name, so I’m thinking cutie-honey-sweetie-baby is not an appropriate moniker.

Obama and "sweetie".

It's not a big deal but it's such a lame old habit by men who are trying to be dismissive of a woman's opinion in a debate.
Maybe you didn't mean it that way but I also think you wouldn't have used it when talking to a guy and I figured I'd tell you that it comes across as patronising in a debate between strangers.
 
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Whether or not that's a coincidence is anybody's guess but I do see a little conflict of interest there. Platini lobbying to take away the WC from Qatar might threaten is son's position in a company that is directly owned by the exact same people who are running that WC.

Conflict of interest and "on the payroll of the corrupt" are different things. Middle East money has it's fingers in a lot of European football pie. We should be careful not to conflate moneyed middle eastern companies with corruption.

Do I know you?
Just wondering because calling a random person "love" in a conversation seems a bit dismissive. We're two adults who hardly know each other debating FIFA on the internet.

English turn of phrase (and very common) generally not said between men but pretty much every other gender configuration
 
Bought a sandwich today. The woman handed it to me and said....."there you go love"

Fortunately, i somehow managed to keep a lid on my anger and sense of injustice

It was a close call though
 
It's all about context. You don't appear to be stupid or ignorant of the world, so I'll assume you're not so blind to convention as to fail to understand how it would be taken when speaking to somebody like Emilia in a context such as your discussion.

Or maybe you are. I dunno.
 
It's all about context.

Yes, and I said it in a context of affection and good will just as the woman at the shop said it to me. Are you under the impression she was dissing me?

If that's the case, I'll have words with her, the cow. How dare she. Something must be done about this.

You don't appear to be stupid or ignorant of the world, so I'll assume you're not so blind to convention as to fail to understand how it would be taken when speaking to somebody like Emilia in a context such as your discussion.

Or maybe you are. I dunno.

Nice :)

Funny how "love" can be so controversial yet stupid and ignorant, not so much
 
There would be little point arguing about it, you left yourself an out for exactly this conversation. Your meaning was clear, despite your protests.
 
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