The final thing that happened to Juliet wasn't a bad thing either.
Grimm - Season 4
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She was the Wesen working within the FBI from earlier this season.
Remember, Trubel would borrow a bike, pedal around the neighborhood, agents would try to follow her, and then she'd evade them in various ways. This entire process only repeated about a DOZEN times before they shipped Trubel off to guard that one Grimm's son.
Remember, that one Grimm's son? When Bud asked after him in the finale, Trubel just mumbled, "He's good" which is Grimm code for "that storyline didn't go anywhere so we're going to pretend it never happened."
ANYway, I think that FBI Wesen lady threatened/blackmailed Trubel into working for her/helping her in some way/for some reason and that's why Trubel was so anxious/apathetic to leave Portland.
This show is such a mess.
Yup. It's been badly written for at least two seasons now, and Nick is one of the most unappealing, inept, and lifelessly acted lead characters on television; but I've stuck around for Monroe, Rosalee, Wu, and Juliette. But now 1/4 of my reason for staying is gone, and I'm not sure I like where the other characters have been going lately. I don't know if I'll be back next season.
I didn't think the finale was that bad, but it wasn't great either.
I was glad that Wu showed up to help out at the Royals' house.
At this point I'm glad they killed off Juliette, the whole Hexebiest storyarc has ruined the character, and pretty much made her irredemable IMO.
The rebel dude, and the FBI agent both showing up after having not been mentioned or seen in ages felt really random.
I am curious what exactly they're going to be doing with Adalind now.
I was glad that Wu showed up to help out at the Royals' house.
At this point I'm glad they killed off Juliette, the whole Hexebiest storyarc has ruined the character, and pretty much made her irredemable IMO.
The rebel dude, and the FBI agent both showing up after having not been mentioned or seen in ages felt really random.
I am curious what exactly they're going to be doing with Adalind now.
Maybe it'll be something like, the Hexenbiest inside Juliette is dead but Juliette is now Juliette again. The gang decides that this all paralleled Sean/Jack--and that she's ultimately not responsible for her actions while a Hexenbiest. This will be borne out by Adalind (who already seems much different when she's no longer one) and Sean.
Adalind as non-Wesen can no longer be a big bad. She's (relatively) nice and isn't a physical threat.
Adalind has the baby, but since she was Juliette when she conceived, genetically it's actually Juliette's. Adalind either dies in childbirth or somehow sacrifices herself (something about Diana? Some struggle with whatshername working with Truble?) and the baby goes to Nick and Juliette. They can handwave something about surrogacy to the general public, but it's not like that really matters.
Diana, supposedly safe with the Resistance guy she evidently remembers, is the new Queen, though technically, Sean has precedence in a succession.
No idea what whatshername (FBI lady?) is going to do.
Just glad Bud is safe.
Adalind as non-Wesen can no longer be a big bad. She's (relatively) nice and isn't a physical threat.
Adalind has the baby, but since she was Juliette when she conceived, genetically it's actually Juliette's. Adalind either dies in childbirth or somehow sacrifices herself (something about Diana? Some struggle with whatshername working with Truble?) and the baby goes to Nick and Juliette. They can handwave something about surrogacy to the general public, but it's not like that really matters.
Diana, supposedly safe with the Resistance guy she evidently remembers, is the new Queen, though technically, Sean has precedence in a succession.
No idea what whatshername (FBI lady?) is going to do.
Just glad Bud is safe.
I think the entire writing staff of the show should be suspended.
^ This. Hands down. The show just isn't all that good anymore.
They just need to dump the stupid Juliette storylines and go back to what worked in season one, which was focusing on Nick being a Grimm and his relationship with the Wesen community in Portland.
Do the writers just ignore the heavy fan criticism for season two and four? The seasons that focus almost exclusively on Juliette tend to be the weakest for a good reason. Juliette is the WORST!
^I didn't mind season 2, though the Juliette amnesia thing was dragged on way too long -- which wasn't the fault of her character, but the fault of the writers for handling the character poorly, marginalizing her rather than bringing her into the loop. A perennial problem this show has always had is that it drags its story arcs out way too long, throwing in all sorts of delaying tactics to postpone any real progress -- sometimes to the point of abandoning them altogether. (Wasn't there a thing about the royals wanting to get their hands on those keys? Now that the royals are all dead, has that just been abandoned?)
For me, it's the past two seasons that have been badly written throughout. The second had its problems, but it's just been a lame show for half its life now. That's hardly Juliette's fault. She was a good character when the writers handled her decently, when she was allowed to be close and supportive to Nick and to be a smart, caring person who could make a contribution as part of the team. It was when the writers artificially undermined her relationship with Nick, first by making her forget him, then by turning her evil, that the character suffered.
For me, it's the past two seasons that have been badly written throughout. The second had its problems, but it's just been a lame show for half its life now. That's hardly Juliette's fault. She was a good character when the writers handled her decently, when she was allowed to be close and supportive to Nick and to be a smart, caring person who could make a contribution as part of the team. It was when the writers artificially undermined her relationship with Nick, first by making her forget him, then by turning her evil, that the character suffered.
The Grimm writers have always been much better at writing the case of the week plots than the season arcs.
In season one the case of the week plots were always the focus, with the season arc in the background. That worked great.
But in the later seasons they have focused much more on the weaker season arcs, which they aren't good at. The show has suffered because of that.
In season one the case of the week plots were always the focus, with the season arc in the background. That worked great.
But in the later seasons they have focused much more on the weaker season arcs, which they aren't good at. The show has suffered because of that.
I dunno, there have been some pretty terrible cases-of-the-week this year too.
I've wondered about the keys as well (they're even still featured in the show opening). Then there's the zombie Nick issue that lasted for a couple of episodes then was forgotten except for the odd occasions when Nick suddenly has super hearing. It seems there have been a few other story lines they just dropped, but I can't remember them at the moment.
I really didn't like them turning Juliette evil. That seemed so out of character for her and it just didn't sit well with me. It always seemed to me that they went that way just because they wanted to do something daring; never mind that it didn't fit her. When she became a hexenbiest, I thought they would have her actually contribute as part of the gang. She did for a couple of episodes, and I have to admit I liked that. I'm not sure how that would have worked in the long run, but I think it worked for the time they did it.
But if Juliette didn't exist we wouldn't have had those bad storylines.
I think Police Procedurals handle it the best, by having the love interests in the background. Look how Hotch's wife was barely mentioned or seen on Criminal Minds. They certainly didn't make her part of the main cast. Instead those kind of shows tend to focus exclusively on the case of the week over the personal drama.
I've just never been a fan of the Juliette character. She never fit in the Wesen world, unlike Hank or Wu who were fellow cops that could help Nick out on various cases.
Also Grimm would have been much better show if Adalind never returned after the first season. She served her purpose. Now she is just wasting our times with her stupid storylines. I don't know why the writers think we care about her stupid babies.
That's a nonsensical thing to say. Any character can have good or bad storylines around them. Juliette has had good storylines in the past, when the writers haven't been making up contrived ways to drive wedges between her and Nick. And if she didn't exist, then these writers would just be giving us bad storylines about someone else, just like they've given us terrible storylines about Nick and Adalind and the Royals for the past couple of seasons.
Conversely, look at Castle. It's fallen apart in the past couple of seasons, but before that, it managed to balance procedural and romance quite well. And so have others. Plenty of procedural heroes have been happily married and included their spouses in their work -- see McMillan and Wife, for example. You can't attribute this to a blanket generalization about all shows, because every show is different.
The problem is not with Juliette or with romances in general. The problem is that these specific writers have had bad ideas about how to handle the character and her relationship with Nick. I mean, look at Monroe and Rosalee. Those characters work, because they were allowed by the writers to have a naturally, organically developing relationship and actually get married and grow together like adults. By contrast, Nick and Juliette have been constantly forced away from marriage by one contrived plot twist after another. They were going along fine and then the writers screwed it up just because they wanted to drag things out and throw in arbitrary complications. They didn't let the relationship grow organically like they have with Monroe and Rosalee. And that's why it didn't work. Not because of Juliette as a character, but because of the writers' mishandling of her.
You could just as well say that Xander on Buffy didn't fit into the Slayer's world, because he was too ordinary. There's a place for normal people in shows about the weird. It provides grounding and perspective, and just a contrast from all the people with powers and secrets and whatnot.
And Juliette was a vet. How is that not useful for dealing with people who turn into animal-like forms? I mean, really, that should've been a natural fit.
Here's one example of how the writers never did justice to the character. When she found out about Wesen and Monroe and Rosalee Woged in front of her for the first time, she was taken aback, even frightened. Why? She's a vet. She has a natural affinity for animals. That should've made it easier for her to accept Monroe and Rosalee's Wesen forms without fear or distaste -- even to admire them. I wish that, when she'd seen Rosalee as a fuchsbau, she'd grinned in wonder and said "You're beautiful!" Really, there should've been some character in the show who embraced the world of the Wesen with wonder and glee, and as a vet, Juliette was perfect for that role. But the writers screwed it up, just like they've screwed up so much else for her character and others.
Now, that I entirely agree with. Except I think it would've been a much better show if Adalind had never existed at all -- or at least had been played by an actress who was actually appealing and/or scary rather than insipid.
What good storylines did Juliette have? For that matter what storylines did Juliette have before the amnesia storyline?
^^^ When she initially became a hexenbiest, before it corrupted her, she started being an extremely useful member of the team. She was really coming to her own and her confidence was building. There was a short stretch at the beginning of the season where I personally felt her character had really gotten good and things were clicking. Then the stuff with Adelind started happening and Juliette went downhill fast. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the general quality of the character - Juliette was always my least favorite character of all of them but I do think that she did have a handful of good eps and that was about it.
But you're right, before amnesia she was completely worthless IMO.
But you're right, before amnesia she was completely worthless IMO.
I always liked Bitsie Tulloch, the warmth she brought to the role -- up until they started writing her all irritable and mean and eventually evil due to the Hexenbiest thing. The actress was a worthwhile member of the cast, but the writers didn't serve her well.
There's no way Juliette could ever be my least favorite member of the cast, though, not so long as Nick is around. He is just terrible. And Adalind isn't much better.
There's no way Juliette could ever be my least favorite member of the cast, though, not so long as Nick is around. He is just terrible. And Adalind isn't much better.
