Examples of Characters Doing Stupid Things

[Kilana2]

Wesley becoming a superbeing and reappearing in the novels.

Beverly whining about Wesley's long-lasting absense in one of the novels.
(I'm not a Wesley hater, but I don't miss him either).

Women like Robin Leffler and Counselor Cabot falling in love with Wesley.

That's enough. I simply don't like the idea of Wesley of all people becoming a traveller.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Warp cores might have developed along the tech line as current internal combustion engines we use today. Early models were made of iron and steel, they could take a lot of punishment and still get you home. I even ran a VW engine home with three cylinders and a missing rotor in the distributor- cranked on the first try.
Today's engines are frail aluminum and a maze of computer components. Overheat it slightly and you have a warped cylinder head and car which would take $1,500 to get back on the street again.
The new engines are more powerful and take little fuel compared to the old ones, but there is a tech trade off. You get more capability but at the cost of robustness. The TOS and newer Trek drives are similar- you can go to warp 9.5 now but slight damage will be devastating.

Good analogy. The only quibble I have is that you're talking about a normal travel vehicle vs a ship designed to fight in combat.

At what point does the Federation say "you know maybe the newer engines can get us up to Warp 9.5 vs 9.2 in the older models. But is that extra speed really worth it when it seems like 75% of our ships completely explode when the warp core is damaged even slightly"

It's be like GM making an engine that got 100 mpg. Except it was so fragile your car would go up in a fireball in even a fender bender. There comes a point where you have to say "Is it really worth it?"

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Wesley becoming a superbeing and reappearing in the novels.

Beverly whining about Wesley's long-lasting absense in one of the novels.
(I'm not a Wesley hater, but I don't miss him either).

Women like Robin Leffler and Counselor Cabot falling in love with Wesley.

That's enough. I simply don't like the idea of Wesley of all people becoming a traveller.

I can't accept the idea of Wesley being the slightest bit concerned about that headset game when a young Ashley Judd has the hots for you.

I personally would be spending every moment working on parlaying her attraction into getting her out of her starfleet uniform, screw why everyone seems addicted to that game or why Data's not working, I've got my own priorities here.

 

[Trekkin]

Picard sending Wesley to see if anything was amiss with Lore...then promptly ignoring everything Wesley had to say when he reported back that something was wrong. I don't care if it gave us two 'Shut up Wesley's!', it's still made Picard look like an ass.

The non-infected Engineering chief temporarily giving her 'apparently controls everything in the ship' post to the non-Starfleet teenager in The Naked Now.

 

[Timo]

Picard sending Wesley to see if anything was amiss with Lore...then promptly ignoring everything Wesley had to say when he reported back that something was wrong. I don't care if it gave us two 'Shut up Wesley's!', it's still made Picard look like an ass.

Umm, it appears pretty clear at that point that the heroes know it's Lore, not Data - the android has been behaving so suspiciously already. The dissing prior to the final "Shut up, Wesley!" is there only to stop the stupid kid from letting Lore know that they know...

Of course, knowing does them no good, as Lore manages to evade his escorts and, naturally, goes to a transporter room different from the one he claimed he would be using. But it's not as if Picard or Riker would be falling for his scheming, as they instead are seen personally going after him and arriving just after the nick of time.

It's Lore who is doing stupid stuff in the episode, hamming it up, preparing no Plans B, and, worst of all, pretending that the Crystalline Entity understands what he's saying to it even when it clearly does not...

Here's one: Kirk (and Starfleet), not sending anyone to check on Khan and company for 20 freakin' years!

To what end? To provide him with access to a starship he might again hijack?

There's nothing about Khan that warrants checking up. Either he fails to set up a survivable colony and dies ignored, or then he gets a colony going and dies happy, and perhaps in a century or three the settlement will attract the attention of a passerby and prove its worth or lack thereof. Probably not, though - we very seldom hear of a colony being discovered by accident. Even the Bringloidi sent out a dedicated SOS...

The TOS and newer Trek drives are similar- you can go to warp 9.5 now but slight damage will be devastating.

Or then not. The TNG ship actually survives more incidents than the TOS one (it's a longer show, doh!). Ships in TOS kept blowing up left and right, too - they just had other fragile components that gave up before the warp core did.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Makarov]

Jellico making an enemy out of Riker.

I'd say it was the other way around. What with Riker not following orders and allowing his love of Picard to cloud his judgement.

Jellico made him into an enemy even before Picard goes missing, by being a total douche about the shift rotations in front of Picard. Treating Riker like a rookie even though he had saved Earth from the borg. In the end Jellico needed Riker's help and had to grovel for it due to his lack of leadership. It all would have probably gone down differently if Riker had just liked the guy.

 

[USS Triumphant]

Here's one: Kirk (and Starfleet), not sending anyone to check on Khan and company for 20 freakin' years!

To what end? To provide him with access to a starship he might again hijack?

There's nothing about Khan that warrants checking up.

Well, there's the enlightened, 23rd century (or even *our* century) humanitarian angle: They know there's a colony of people there, so it would be nice to make sure they're doing okay, even if some of them are criminals. And even if you absolutely didn't care about *them*, Kirk also left one of his own crewpeople behind. Also, have any of Khan's people decided they're fed up and want to leave, even if the alternative is a rehabilitation colony in New Zealand?

And even if you don't care about any of *that*, there's the security angle to consider. What is Khan getting up to down there? Have Klingons/Romulans/other unknown species stopped by and ended up trading advanced tech or otherwise getting it stolen from them by Khan's people? Khan and crew could be roaming around in a stolen Romulan warbird - that would be good to know.

Any competent crew that is aware of what they are dealing with up front should be able to keep Khan from stealing their ship. It seems odd to me that Kirk apparently didn't leave any sort of warning buoy in the system, and it also seems odd that he didn't even leave Khan a way to contact Starfleet just to check in, or to say "could you send some oranges our way? - ours wouldn't grow and we're getting scurvy", or maybe "um... yeah... hey... a planet blew up in our system, and things are turning pretty ugly."

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Jellico making an enemy out of Riker.

I'd say it was the other way around. What with Riker not following orders and allowing his love of Picard to cloud his judgement.

Jellico made him into an enemy even before Picard goes missing, by being a total douche about the shift rotations in front of Picard. Treating Riker like a rookie even though he had saved Earth from the borg. In the end Jellico needed Riker's help and had to grovel for it due to his lack of leadership. It all would have probably gone down differently if Riker had just liked the guy.

There was blame on both sides. Jellico, while clearly a very skilled and intelligent captain was a by the book guy who lacked in the people skills department. He might have lightened up a tad given the suddenness of the situation and the stress it caused to the crew. So yes a little more tolerance might have avoided problems.

OTOH When all is said and done Jellico is still the commanding officer and the crew, including Riker, is duty bound to get obey his orders as long as they're not immoral or put people's lives in needless danger. If you don't like the orders because they're a pain in the ass to carry out, it makes life tougher for the crew or you don't like the new guy as much as the last guy....that's too bad, you do it anyway because it's your duty.

When Jellico tells Riker to change the shifts, he should have done it immediately and express his concerns later. Instead he postponed the orders until he got a chance to talk to Jellico and Jellico was put off when he found his orders had been delayed, and he had every right to be.

When Riker flipped because Jellico wouldn't give Picard prisoner protection, he was also out of line. Yeah he's upset his friend Picard might die and Jellico isn't helping but the fact is it wasn't his mission to keep Picard alive. Plus how many times did Picard give orders that had a high probability of Enterprise crew being killed? Riker didn't seem to mind then.

Bottom line is Riker was duty bound to obey his CO and not just Picard. He got pissed Jellico wasn't as "nice" and let it interfere with his responsibilities. That is unprofessional and unacceptable in an organization like starfleet.

 

[Timo]

They know there's a colony of people there, so it would be nice to make sure they're doing okay, even if some of them are criminals.

It just seems they aren't doing any of that even for colonies that weren't founded for banishment purposes. The only thing that gets Kirk or Picard to visit a colony is an explicit SOS, apparently. Or a sudden realization that a colony outside contact is in mortal danger ("This Side of Paradise", "Ensigns of Command"), even when the locals aren't signaling. Colonies supposedly get founded because the people there don't want to remain in the Federation or its core worlds, and Starfleet is fine with that, up to a point.

And even if you absolutely didn't care about *them*, Kirk also left one of his own crewpeople behind.

I very much doubt McGivers remains in Starfleet payroll... Kirk, the habitual forger of logs, no doubt marked her as "missing in action", and doesn't want to hear about her ever again.

And even if you don't care about any of *that*, there's the security angle to consider. What is Khan getting up to down there? Have Klingons/Romulans/other unknown species stopped by and ended up trading advanced tech or otherwise getting it stolen from them by Khan's people? Khan and crew could be roaming around in a stolen Romulan warbird - that would be good to know.

There's that possibility, yes. But Kirk may have taken good care to put Khan down in a place seldom visited by the usual suspects.

The more important point here is that if Kirk didn't want to risk that happening, he would immediately have killed Khan and his cohorts, or jailed them. He chose not to, apparently solely because he liked Khan a lot and wished him well. A mission to check out how Khan was doing would have to be conducted clandestinely by Kirk himself, lest Starfleet learn about Khan and either kill him or jail him. And if it turned out Khan was in desperate need of Starfleet-level assistance, or had escaped, what would Kirk do? Tell everybody that he had aided and abetted the criminal?

No, the very core of the decision to maroon Khan was to forget about him, to leave fate take its course. Going back was never the plan, because going back would undo everything achieved by the marooning in the first place.

Any competent crew that is aware of what they are dealing with up front should be able to keep Khan from stealing their ship.

Alas, Kirk is as competent as they come, and he got his ship stolen after he discovered who Khan was.

It seems odd to me that Kirk apparently didn't leave any sort of warning buoy in the system, and it also seems odd that he didn't even leave Khan a way to contact Starfleet just to check in

Doesn't seem odd to me. Buoys just call undue attention. And "a way to contact" was the deadliest weapon in Khan's arsenal originally - if not for his distress beacon (and the unlikely presence of Kirk in that backwater region), he wouldn't have taken over anybody. Khan also is a sweet talker, and shouldn't be left with a means to do the talking. Such a means is not vital to his survival, but would be vital for his escape!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Makarov]

When Jellico tells Riker to change the shifts, he should have done it immediately and express his concerns later. Instead he postponed the orders until he got a chance to talk to Jellico and Jellico was put off when he found his orders had been delayed, and he had every right to be.

Jellico could have easily flipped out if Riker had made the change before bringing up the concerns. "The department heads told you this and you still went ahead with it? I expect you to bring it to me before making that kind of decision." My point is there's no way Riker could have known which style of first officer Jellico wanted right off the bat.

 

[Cyke101]

When Jellico tells Riker to change the shifts, he should have done it immediately and express his concerns later. Instead he postponed the orders until he got a chance to talk to Jellico and Jellico was put off when he found his orders had been delayed, and he had every right to be.

Jellico could have easily flipped out if Riker had made the change before bringing up the concerns. "The department heads told you this and you still went ahead with it? I expect you to bring it to me before making that kind of decision." My point is there's no way Riker could have known which style of first officer Jellico wanted right off the bat.

While true that Riker couldn't have known, I feel like the more experienced Riker in this episode is a fairly stark contrast to Encounter at Farpoint Riker -- the latter would probably be more inclined to be less resistant to Jellico. After all, it indeed takes time to get accustomed to a superior. It's almost like older Riker forgot that fact, which is odd since he's considered to be one of the best XOs in the fleet.

As well, everyone at first expected Jellico to be a temporary captain, so surely the thought of Picard eventually returning should help alleviate more than a few concerns. Yes, Picard got captured and then the captaincy became uncertain, but that was after the fact that Riker was pretty insubordinate already.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

When Jellico tells Riker to change the shifts, he should have done it immediately and express his concerns later. Instead he postponed the orders until he got a chance to talk to Jellico and Jellico was put off when he found his orders had been delayed, and he had every right to be.

Jellico could have easily flipped out if Riker had made the change before bringing up the concerns. "The department heads told you this and you still went ahead with it? I expect you to bring it to me before making that kind of decision." My point is there's no way Riker could have known which style of first officer Jellico wanted right off the bat.

Sorry, doesn't cut any ice with me. Jellico gave him an order, it was his job to carry it out immediately as Jellico indicated.

If concerns were expressed bring them to his attention later. The odds him flipping out are much lower over that than his reaction for Riker delaying implementing his order.

Unless the captain is clearly batshit crazy and giving orders to that effect, which Jellico clearly wasn't, it's Riker's job to figure out what kind of Captain Jellico is and to do what he can to best work with him and his style, not vice versa.

Riker just sat around and pouted that Jellico wasn't Picard and he was being a meanie head to everyone with his different style.

Riker's "Well I'll keep doing things like I did when Picard was here and not change my actions to appease my CO's style" is complete and utter BS. It would get you fired from most jobs, including ones in the military, IRL if you weren't able to get along with your boss and comply with his directives.

This is why American schools suck. Back in the day the school had a set of rules the student was expected to follow and if they didn't they got suspended or some other punishment.

The teacher ran the classroom and instructed the students what work they had to do. If they didn't do it, or did it poorly, they failed.

Nowadays many students and parents have decided that if the school punishes or fails a student, then it's the school's or teacher's fault it happened, not little Johnny not following the rules or not doing his work because of some bullshit excuse and they tattle to administration or threaten lawsuits and the schools bend and usually let it slip by.

Riker's actions with Jellico was him being the kid in class who decided the teacher was "mean" so he wasn't going to live up to his obligations as a student and it was all the teacher's fault.

 

[BillJ]

Jellico made him into an enemy even before Picard goes missing, by being a total douche about the shift rotations in front of Picard. Treating Riker like a rookie even though he had saved Earth from the borg. In the end Jellico needed Riker's help and had to grovel for it due to his lack of leadership. It all would have probably gone down differently if Riker had just liked the guy.

It isn't Jellico's job to make Riker like him. It was Jellico's job to get the Enterprise ready for a potential combat scenario and full out war with the Cardassians. This was a risky mission where people could die, not a survey of the intelligent fungus of Whothehellcares VIII. Their relationship doesn't sour until Jellico finds out Riker isn't following orders. Does anyone for a minute think that Jellico wasn't well aware of the staff he had when making the order to change shift rotation? He knew it would be difficult but he also knew it could be done. Just like the improvements in the Enterprise. One wonders if Picard and Riker hadn't gone soft since someone new to the ship knew that improvements could be made but weren't.

Jellico also showed the utmost professionalism in going to get the best man for the job regardless of his personal feelings. I doubt Riker would've done the same.

"Chain of Command" did much to damage the crew in my eyes. They were unable/unwilling to change when commanding officers changed. Riker and LaForge came off as petulant children being bad for a babysitter.

 

[USS Triumphant]

It just seems they aren't doing any of that even for colonies that weren't founded for banishment purposes.

I don't think we can say for certain, either way. It seems like most of the colonies that they visited in TOS and TNG that had not been visited for a long time or even since founding were colonies established before the Federation existed. Was that coincidence, or because they didn't have a record of those to know to check on them?

I very much doubt McGivers remains in Starfleet payroll... Kirk, the habitual forger of logs, no doubt marked her as "missing in action", and doesn't want to hear about her ever again.

I don't appreciate your attitude toward the Captain, mister!

And if it turned out Khan was in desperate need of Starfleet-level assistance, or had escaped, what would Kirk do? Tell everybody that he had aided and abetted the criminal?

They were outside of the Federation, a starship captain has a lot of leeway, and the polities which would have had previous charges against Khan no longer exist - if the statute of limitations wouldn't have been up, anyway. (We don't know specifically what Khan could have been charged with - if anything.) I wouldn't think Kirk would have needed to keep the outcome of his decisions a secret.

Alas, Kirk is as competent as they come, and he got his ship stolen after he discovered who Khan was.

He had already given Khan guest access to the ship's computer and libraries by the time he found out. Which shouldn't have been a problem, anyway, but computer security doesn't exactly seem to be up to snuff on Starfleet ships in general.

Doesn't seem odd to me. Buoys just call undue attention. And "a way to contact" was the deadliest weapon in Khan's arsenal originally - if not for his distress beacon (and the unlikely presence of Kirk in that backwater region), he wouldn't have taken over anybody. Khan also is a sweet talker, and shouldn't be left with a means to do the talking. Such a means is not vital to his survival, but would be vital for his escape

When we put con artists in prison NOW, we don't keep them from communicating with *anyone* simply because they could use that communication to con someone. That would be inhumane. Besides, I wasn't suggesting giving him a broad comm ability - something locked to a specific Starfleet frequency would have been fine for the task, and the people monitoring it could have been warned whom they were dealing with.

 

[Makarov]

Any other captain could have thought of Riker has a yes-man if he followed orders without bringing up potential conflicts, it just so happens that wasn't Jellico's personality. Jellico flipped out before it was even known between the two of them. Then he disliked Riker from that point on, made a public spectacle of relieving him from duty.

Jellico also showed the utmost professionalism in going to get the best man for the job regardless of his personal feelings. I doubt Riker would've done the same.

Which he never would have had to waste time doing if he hadn't wasted time butting heads with his first officer over a personality conflict. Of course it's not his job to get them to like him. But great leaders go above and beyond just doing their jobs. Lead, instead of firing the staff and replacing it.

The teacher ran the classroom and instructed the students what work they had to do. If they didn't do it, or did it poorly, they failed.

All I can speak of is college. With the insane cost of college, I better be getting my moneys worth. Sometimes a professor that flunks an entire class is... not good, believe me. Some are nuts, some have extremely dated information. Can't just accept all authority with no feeling on it, and I'm not sure kids should be taught to do so 100% of the time either.

Sometimes authority is wrong. As is frequently the case on TNG when characters disobey/bend bad orders. Riker has done it, Picard has done it, Data has done it. How many times did we see characters ready to quit starfleet over some issue instead of just doing their job?

I don't believe Trek was in favor of just following orders to protect your job as it would be IRL. Characters who don't disobey at all would probably end up as the alternate Picard from Tapestry, never standing out.

If Kirk were in this episode, he would probably have taken control of the ship away from Jellico and used it to go after his friend.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Any other captain could have thought of Riker has a yes-man if he followed orders without bringing up potential conflicts, it just so happens that wasn't Jellico's personality. Jellico flipped out before it was even known between the two of them. Then he disliked Riker from that point on, made a public spectacle of relieving him from duty.

Jellico also showed the utmost professionalism in going to get the best man for the job regardless of his personal feelings. I doubt Riker would've done the same.

Which he never would have had to waste time doing if he hadn't wasted time butting heads with his first officer over a personality conflict. Of course it's not his job to get them to like him. But great leaders go above and beyond just doing their jobs. Lead, instead of firing the staff and replacing it.

The teacher ran the classroom and instructed the students what work they had to do. If they didn't do it, or did it poorly, they failed.

All I can speak of is college. With the insane cost of college, I better be getting my moneys worth. Sometimes a professor that flunks an entire class is... not good, believe me. Some are nuts, some have extremely dated information. Can't just accept all authority with no feeling on it, and I'm not sure kids should be taught to do so 100% of the time either.

Sometimes authority is wrong. As is frequently the case on TNG when characters disobey/bend bad orders. Riker has done it, Picard has done it, Data has done it. How many times did we see characters ready to quit starfleet over some issue instead of just doing their job?

I don't believe Trek was in favor of just following orders to protect your job as it would be IRL. Characters who don't disobey at all would probably end up as the alternate Picard from Tapestry, never standing out.

If Kirk were in this episode, he would probably have taken control of the ship away from Jellico and used it to go after his friend.

And that would be called mutiny and would result in a lengthy prison sentence in some countries and the death penalty in others.

I'm not saying it's a good idea to obey authority 100% of the time, in fact it has been shown it can cause immense destruction (See Germany, Nazi).

Here's the thing you seem to be missing though, and I'm not trying to be a dick about this, William Riker is the first officer of the Enterprise, which means, by wearing that uniform, he is BOUND BY DUTY AND HONOR to follow the orders of the commanding officer. The only exception would be if he believed the CO was mentally unstable and/or was giving orders that were unnecessarily dangerous to the ship and crew.

Jellico at no time showed that he was mentally unstable or putting the ship in reckless danger for unnecessary reasons. Jellico was: abrasive, demanding, distant, usually made his own decisions without outside advice, and had high expectation of performance from his crew and didn't tolerate failure.

How many of these things are grounds for Riker to be insubordinate and difficult....ZERO. Riker simply was upset because Jellico wasn't Picard and he made Riker's job more difficult because the crew got pissed over Jellico's commands being an inconvenience to their lives and they all whined about it. Again NONE of this is grounds for Riker to act like he did about Jellico.

Even when Jellico refused to grant Picard that prisoner of war status or whatever protection, that was NO reason for Riker to explode and get into a shouting match. Jellico's main objective was not to make sure Jean-Luc Picard was kept nice and safe and returned alive, it was to stop the Cardassians fleet from invading whatever planet it was and if that meant Picard died as a result....well that's the risk they take. How many times did Picard give orders that resulted in the death of crew? Never saw Riker freak out over that. Wasn't one of the tests for new officers the ability to order people into situations where they would die for a greater cause?

Let's look at their discussion where they dropped the gloves and shared their feelings for each other. Jellico said he thought Riker was insubordinate and made deliberate decisions to challange his authority......both pretty damn good reasons for relieving him of his duties.

Here's what Riker said about Jellico

"Arrogant, and closed-minded."- Doesn't matter, not a valid reason to challenge him.

"You need to control everything and everyone."- Well by nature that's a captain's job, so he was more of a micromanager than Picard....Not a valid reason


"You don't provide an atmosphere of trust, and you don't inspire these people to go out of their way for you." - Uh didn't seem like anyone else had the issues you did. Sure they pissed and moaned about Jellico making things inconvenient for them, but noone seemed to think he was incompetent and they all did their jobs like he asked.


"You've got everybody wound up so tight, there's no joy in anything."- Guess what? The Enterprise was in a situation that could have lead to all out combat. It wasn't Jellico's job to make sure everyone was happy and relaxed. It was his job to make sure the ship and crew were as ready as possible for combat and if the crew didn't like that.....too damn bad, go get another job if you can't handle stressful and unpleasant situations.

"I don't think you're a particularly good captain."- Really? The guy who didn't back down at the table and who came up with the plan that forced the Cardassians to essentially run away with their tails between their legs AND managed to save Picard as well....Seems like a pretty damn good captain to me. Riker's definition of a good captain seems to be whether he's a meanie head or not.

Yeah ST has situations where obeying authority is justified, but this wasn't one of them. Other than being a kind of a jerk, making people work harder, and correctly understanding that Picard may have to die in order for the confrontation to be won, none of which justify insubordination from the first officer, Jellico did absolutely ZERO to question his abilities as a CO. It was Riker's job to adapt to Jellico as a CO not Jellico's job to adapt to Riker as XO. Riker didn't have to like him or the way he did things but, barring some serious reason to question his competence, none of which were ever shown, Riker was OBLIGATED to obey Jellico's commands and not bitch like one of the housewives of Beverly Hills in front of his face.

If Riker was either too stupid to figure this out, or too stubborn to change his ways, then he should have asked to be relieved of his duties as first officer. He didn't do that and he let his personal feelings get in the way of his job to the point where Jellico had every right to relieve him.

Jellico could have been an even bigger ass and had him court marshaled on insubordination charges, yet he chose not to do that.....So maybe Jellico wasn't the real ass in this whole thing after all.

 

[enterprisecvn65]

And to show that Riker was not only an idiot but a hypocrite for how he acted towards Jellico, let's look at him and Shelby in TBOBW.

So Riker's main beefs with Jellico was that he was more concerned about getting the ship ready for imminent battle and wasn't worried about making sure the crew were happy and comfortable. Hardly a new concept in commanding officers. He also didn't solicit opinions or advice before making decisions also not really new to high ranking officers. So that warranted Riker being insubordinate?

So Shelby meets Riker and soon decided she doesn't like him. Why? Because she thinks Riker is arrogant and closed minded towards her advice or plans because he basically shuts her down immediately for no reason other than he's in charge (gee sounds familiar)

For crying out loud Riker even forced her to go to bed when she was willing and able to stay up with data to work on defense options, because he didn't want the crew fighting fatigue.....really? If Wes and Geordi are too tired to plan then let them go to bed, but, with the possible fate of earth on the line, to force the person who is an expert in the Borg to sleep when she wants to carry on WTF? Did Riker really feel the battle would hinge on Shelby getting a few extra Z's? It was a dick move to show who was boss.

So Shelby gets frustrated and takes the bull by the horns and does some things without consulting Riker, culminating in her going to Picard with her ideas after Riker slammed the door on them. Yes this a decent breach of protocol but what was she supposed to do? Riker had shot her down time after time for no real reason and even Picard seemed glad she talked to him.

So does Riker admire her for taking the initiative and show understanding about her situation. No, he chews her ass out away from Picard and threatens to snap her back like a first year cadet if she pulls any more shit.

So when Shelby butts heads with Riker he's a jerk and a dictator and feels justified. When the shoe is on the other foot though and Riker is being treated in a way he doesn't like, he has no problem ignoring his duty to obey.

Nice view from the cheap seats I guess.

 

[Cyke101]

Whothehellcares VIII.

Hey, don't be so harsh -- I wanted to retire there some day!

 

[BillJ]

Whothehellcares VIII.

Hey, don't be so harsh -- I wanted to retire there some day!

 

[enterprisecvn65]

Whothehellcares VIII.

Hey, don't be so harsh -- I wanted to retire there some day!

I hear it's an extremely nice place to retire to. The only thing is when you apply to live there you have to answer 5 in the space where they ask how many lights there are.