‘Superman & Batman’ movie will follow ‘Man of Steel’
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Yeah, I really like this Batmobile.
Isn't that last second or two an almost exact recreation of a DKR panel? I've never read the book, but I'm pretty sure I've seen a panel of them running at each other in almost those exact stances.It's awfully nice of Superman to run at Batman at normal speed.
I'm starting to wonder if there's anything about this movie's Batman scenes that isn't a direct lift from TDKR.
Superman could've landed right next to Batman and taken him with one punch, I'd say he checked Batman to see what he might be hiding before attacking him. Supposely Superman takes out the Batmoble with one punch, no doubt this is their second encounter and Superman didn't want to rush into the fight this time.
When the A-10s spray downtown Smallville, I think.
Yes, and don't apologize, it's not your fault.
The problem with Superman is that he's just too powerful so you basically invent kryptonite to remove the power (boring and misses the whole point of Superman) or you introduce villains with equal powers (boring explosions and noise).
Since Batman has no such power, I'm guessing he has kryptonite gloves or something because the fact is, Superman would just punch his head clean off
Marvel built a universe and surrounded the characters with numerous movies and opportunities for character development and exploration. This film basically just turned up and said "like me cos we've got two of your favourite superheroes
I also instinctively worry when a movie is "dark" (lots of growling and talking about being kicked as a child) as it's very often used in lieu of actual plot or character development
I also don't trust people called Zack (in any capacity)
It could be fun but I suspect it will be style over substance
Since Batman has no such power, I'm guessing he has kryptonite gloves or something because the fact is, Superman would just punch his head clean off
Marvel built a universe and surrounded the characters with numerous movies and opportunities for character development and exploration. This film basically just turned up and said "like me cos we've got two of your favourite superheroes
I also instinctively worry when a movie is "dark" (lots of growling and talking about being kicked as a child) as it's very often used in lieu of actual plot or character development
I also don't trust people called Zack (in any capacity)
It could be fun but I suspect it will be style over substance
Why do people keep bringing up kryptonite like it's a certainty? There is no kryptonite in the MOSverse of yet. Supes came to Earth via Phantom Drive/wormhole tech.
I came up with a theory of how they could potentially trapdoor introduce Kryptonite in the MOSverse. Either the parts of Earth that were hit with Zod's terraforming beam or Bruce/Lex found some way to reverse engineer the atmospheric device of the genesis chamber ship.
^ Just a theory though. Reading and or watching the Supes v Bats fight in TDKReturns, it's apparent that Supes is holding back, while Bats is going all out. I fully expect this to be the case in Dawn of Justice. There are layers to the Bats v Supes fight in Miller's comic. I could get into them but I won't atm.
I came up with a theory of how they could potentially trapdoor introduce Kryptonite in the MOSverse. Either the parts of Earth that were hit with Zod's terraforming beam or Bruce/Lex found some way to reverse engineer the atmospheric device of the genesis chamber ship.
^ Just a theory though. Reading and or watching the Supes v Bats fight in TDKReturns, it's apparent that Supes is holding back, while Bats is going all out. I fully expect this to be the case in Dawn of Justice. There are layers to the Bats v Supes fight in Miller's comic. I could get into them but I won't atm.
This argument is old and tired. Superman stories, the good ones, are not about his power. There are many possibilities.
You can write a story about inner conflict of Superman trying to save the day while not sacrificing his values. This movie, for example, seems to have a great idea about finding ones place in the world.
Many times in Superman stories the real threat is not the obvious one--while Superman is taking down a physical threat something else is happening that is even more dangerous. It is not often that his powers win the day, but rather he wins through intellect and reasoning and wit.
One of the few things I really liked about Superman Returns was that Superman never threw a punch. The conflict in the story wasn't a directly physical one. There were great displays of him using his power, but not to fight or hurt others.
Not always. Superman's power levels have varied enormously over the decades. When he was introduced, he could only jump 1/8 of a mile rather than flying (hence "leap tall buildings in a single bound," not really an impressive accomplishment for a flying man), he was invulnerable to anything "short of an exploding shell," and he had no powers beyond superstrength, superspeed, jumping (later flying), and eventually x-ray vision. If you watch the Fleischer cartoons from the '40s, you'll see he's often nearly overpowered by the dangers or enemies he faces. In the radio series, which introduced kryptonite, he was sometimes vulnerable to other things, such as atomic rays, alien atmospheres, ultra-loud sounds (overloading his super-hearing), or even the raw power of the Sun when he flew too close to it in space (in contrast to the later idea that he was actually given power by the Sun). It was only gradually that his powers got amplified and added to, with things like heat vision and cold breath coming along in the '50s (though some of the '40s comics dabbled with giving him random powers like telepathy and limited shapeshifting), and his strength levels were gradually ramped up to the point that, by the '50s and '60s, he was basically all-powerful and could only be brought down by kryptonite or magic.
But there were subsequent attempts to bring Superman's power levels down to a more manageable level. I think Denny O'Neil attempted that in a '70s storyline, simultaneously neutralizing all Kryptonite on Earth and weakening Superman to a degree, but later writers soon abandoned it. John Byrne's post-Crisis reboot gave Superman a much more restricted power set than he'd had pre-Crisis, but again, his power gradually crept upward under later writers. Superman: The Animated Series started out with Superman barely more powerful than he'd been in the Fleischer cartoons, though again, there was upward power drift over the course of S:TAS and Justice League. (In the S:TAS premiere storyline, Superman struggled to bring a jet to a safe crash landing, but a few episodes later, he was tossing a helicopter around like a shotput.)
So it definitely is possible to write Superman with more limited powers and create a legitimate threat that he could, if not be killed by his enemies, at least fail to rescue their victims. It's just that not every writer makes the effort. When it comes to writing superhuman characters, it can be hard to keep track of their limits, and some writers don't bother to give them any.
Quite right. One of the best Superman writers ever was Elliot S! Maggin, who wrote lots of Superman comics in the '70s, as well as the best Superman novels ever, Last Son of Krypton and Miracle Monday. (LSoK is probably the best Superman story ever told, period, although All-Star Superman gives it some competition.) Maggin did a great job of taking the idea of Superman's nigh-limitless, borderline-godlike power and making it a source of complication and conflict for Superman, rather than a lazy cure-all. He explored the ethical questions it raised, the burdens of responsibility on a good man who wanted to save everybody and had the power to do so, but had to face the possibility that sometimes it might be more ethical not to, lest he make humanity too dependent upon him. The conventional wisdom is that a character as all-powerful as Superman is hard for ordinary people to relate to, but Maggin made him relatable, because even though Maggin's Superman was an all-powerful, superintelligent, cosmic-level being, he was also a Kansas farmboy at heart, with very human-level emotions and ambitions.
Wasn't really making an argument so much as asking hux what his non-boring alternative would be. I've been reading comics for 30 years, so I'm well aware there are many stories in which Superman relied on something other than his powers.
Sorry I should have cut your quote out when I posted.
A lot of people are wondering how Batman could fight Superman given Superman's superpowers. I do know the answer (I didn't work on the film, but I know people who did). I'll answer it below for those that don't mind spoilers.
Now, I don't know if I'm 100% right with that information, so do take it with a grain of salt. However, that's what I keep hearing, so we'll see if that is actually the case or not.
From what I've heard, Lex Luthor creates a nuclear holocaust that blocks out the sun. Superman gets his powers from our sun, so he's not as strong without it. Luthor blames the nuclear holocaust on Batman, which creates tension between Batman and Superman. That also allows Superman to be significantly depowered - making it easier for Batman to fight him. There will be no Kryptonite in the film.
Now, I don't know if I'm 100% right with that information, so do take it with a grain of salt. However, that's what I keep hearing, so we'll see if that is actually the case or not.
I'm not sure. That's part of the problem with movie portrayals of Superman. I think he's the superhero that's definitely the hardest to get right on the big screen but one thing which I do not think works, is making him "dark" which is where Snyder seems to be going
As others have said, Superman works best when he's about hope and self-exploration and where he doesn't just punch everyone
I'm sure the film will be passable but if any franchise needed support before unleashing it's two big hitters (and others), it's this one. They needed a slow build in my opinion but it looks like, they're just gonna make it "dark" and hope fans are so excited by the premise that any lack of plot or character development won't matter (this is essentially a Batman reboot as well so it needs to hit the ground running on that score too)
I think they may be pushing their luck
Given how much this movie is copying The Dark Knight Returns, that would fit right in.
