Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)

[Reverend]

A thing to note. All those Clone Troopers are actually only maybe 27 years old at the time of Rebels. Yet they look like badass Santa. Any remaining Clone Wars era trooper in the Empire would also look like that (save with regulation hair and a newer uniform).

I can only image the Empire keeping the clones that were put into motion during or before the Clone Wars as they would have been paid for. The making of new clones would have ended at war's end I think, or very shortly into the reign of Palpatine. as Emperor. These last clones, the ones born during the war (using the method on Kamino rather than any faster methods) would be older than the clones we saw in the war (14 or 15 years old at the youngest) and still be viable troopers with bodies around 30 year old., just a little older than Rex or Cody looked during the War. But they would only be viable like that for maybe 5 to 10 more years. At least as far as he Empire would be concerned with them being front line troops or officers. Means the last viable Clone Troopers would be aging out just after Endor. They looks viable as troopers from age 8 or 9 to age 20, maybe 25. Some might be well as officers or the old Chiefs and the like up until 30 or at the latest 35 I would think. After that they'll probably start to get frail and died of old age around 45 to 55. Not sure what the human life expectancy is in Star Wars without the actual wars going on.

I imagine a lot of the older clones were rotated off of front line duty and into the new Imperial Academies to train the first legions of Stormtroopers. Even by this point I don't imagine there are many left in the rank and file.

Having seen the season 2 trailer and can't help myself but be a nitpicky supernerd:

The A Wing and B Wing were both developed as a result of the Battle of Yavin, which is still several years in the future during the time frame of Rebels.

There were not even prototypes out yet at that time.

You mean according to the non-canon EU? I can't see how that matters.

Even so you had both designs showing up in the old 'Droids' cartoon (which the EU considered to be in-continuity) and that show took place more or less around the same time as SWR, give or take a few years. Which only demonstrates how the EU was such a hopeless patchwork of inconsistencies and retcons.

Indeed, the only basis for them being designed *after* Yavin is that they didn't appear in ANH. As if the Yavin base was the only Rebel installation in the whole galaxy, which hardly seems likely. And even that questionable bit of supposition most likely originated from one of the old WEG RPGs rather than any valid background source.

 

[Reverend]

Oops. Double Post. Move along.

 

[Takeru]

The A Wing and B Wing were both developed as a result of the Battle of Yavin, ...

I've never heard that before, where is that information from? Sounds like fanon because why would the rebels develop new fighters when the old ones got the job done?

 

[Ithekro]

(Before I try to explain it I will say I did the same thing when I saw the A-wings, then now a B-wing where it is about 4 to 5 years before the Battle of Yavin.)

The suggestion is that they are following the old Droid cartoon a bit. That had A-wings in it and I guess they had a B-wing as well. It was a disputed claim, but I guess they are rolling with it.

I guess someone decided that the Rebellion wouldn't be designing starfighters, but stealing them? Then turning them over to some friendly world or safe world and building them (slowly) to fight the Empire.

Another thing they could pull is to put those stories we thought (knew) were after Yavin and put them before Yavin. The A-wing tale was that they designed a new super fast starfighter because the X-wings and certainly Y-wings were slow verse the Advance TIE that nearly wrecked the entire mission (Darth Vader). However, there were also things (Star Wars: X-wing game) were the Rebels had A-wings already by Yavin. The answer to that was that they had an older fighter (R-22 Spearhead, commonly nicknamed the "A-wing") that they later used to make the Rebel A-wings with bigger engines. The older A-wing was seen in Droids which took place sometime before A New Hope (I don't recall that ever being pinned down).

Now the B-wing was suppose to have been designed with the help of Ackbar. It was designed to take on Imperial frigates that were started to escort convoys that the Rebels had been using as easy prey. The older escorts not being a match for the X-wing or even the Y-wings. The new frigate (Nebulon-B---like the Medical Frigate in Empire Strikes Back) was designed to be cheaper to deploy than a Star Destroyer to escort convoys with both anti-ship and anti-fighter weapons, as well as a hanger for TIE fighters. This was suppose to be the bane of the early Y-wing and X-wing raiders as they couldn't easily handle these frigates, nor could the Rebels always afford to confront them with their limited (and small) capital ships and combat freighters (like the Ghost). So they commissioned a heavy assault fighter that would have the firepower in lasers, ion cannons, and torpedoes to seriously engage an Imperial frigate with the chance of destroying or at least crippling it long enough for the convoy to be taken or destroyed by the other Rebel ships. (The B-wing needs escorts against fighters. She might be armed to the teeth, but she is not a dogfighter).

That story can be backtracked to the time of Rebels. The Rebels would need a heavy fighter to take out capital ships, and they could have built or stolen this B-wing made specifically for that purpose. It might also be a fighter that the B-wing was based on later (The H-60 Tempest was the suggestion), like how the R-22 became the not quite A-wing, A-wings to fill in the times it was seen before it was suppose to exist.

The new Story Group can mix and match for a good story after all. Plus these are people that played those old West End Roleplaying games where that story came from in the first place.

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Clone Troopers

One thing I wonder is how the fan group members of the 501st (at least those that retain loyalty for the Empire or like to stay in character) will handle Rex and the like from the 501st, basically being traitors to the Empire and their unit specifically. Vader's personal unit.

 

[Mach5]

The A Wing and B Wing were both developed as a result of the Battle of Yavin, ...

I've never heard that before, where is that information from? Sounds like fanon because why would the rebels develop new fighters when the old ones got the job done?

It probably comes from old EU, now "Legends", which would mean everyone's free to ignore it.

To all the old EU fans out there:

 

[FPAlpha]

You're right.. this was old EU (keep forgetting that everything besides the movies themselves is now invalid).

So i guess the appearance of the A Wing and B Wing now makes sense (sort of) because they are well known ships.

 

[Christopher]

You're right.. this was old EU (keep forgetting that everything besides the movies themselves is now invalid).

Well, the movies and The Clone Wars.

And the Holiday Special. That's totally canon.

 

[Reverend]

You're right.. this was old EU (keep forgetting that everything besides the movies themselves is now invalid).

So i guess the appearance of the A Wing and B Wing now makes sense (sort of) because they are well known ships.

The movies, the Clone Wars & Rebels animated series and a handful of recent books is I think the extent of official canon these days.

Honestly I think it's one of the best things that they could have done. The EU has been a bloated, confused mess for years, mostly down to that impractically complicated "tiered" canon system that desperately tried to get just about everything ever published into what I can only describe as a Frankenstien's monster of continuity.

 

[Saul]

A thing to note. All those Clone Troopers are actually only maybe 27 years old at the time of Rebels. Yet they look like badass Santa. Any remaining Clone Wars era trooper in the Empire would also look like that (save with regulation hair and a newer uniform).

Boba Fett would look like that too if he came back in the new movies.

 

[Reverend]

A thing to note. All those Clone Troopers are actually only maybe 27 years old at the time of Rebels. Yet they look like badass Santa. Any remaining Clone Wars era trooper in the Empire would also look like that (save with regulation hair and a newer uniform).

Boba Fett would look like that too if he came back in the new movies.

^Only if he took his helmet off.
Mind you, Temuera Morrison has to be in his mid 50's by now and Boba would be in his mid-60's 30-odd years after ROtJ, so it's not far off. A little extra grey around the temples, accentuate the crowsfeet a little and job done. That's assuming of course he isn't horribly scarred from all that Sarlacc bile.

 

[Mach5]

And the Holiday Special. That's totally canon.

Holiday Special is to Star Wars what These Are The Voyages is to Star Trek.

 

[Reverend]

And the Holiday Special. That's totally canon.

Holiday Special is to Star Wars what These Are The Voyages is to Star Trek.

Come now, the Holiday Special is not quite *that* bad.

 

[Shawnster]

And the Holiday Special. That's totally canon.

Holiday Special is to Star Wars what These Are The Voyages is to Star Trek.

Come now, the Holiday Special is not quite *that* bad.

I think it's about even.

 

[EnsignRicky]

Well at least The Holiday Special didn't kill a franchise.

 

[Christopher]

Well at least The Holiday Special didn't kill a franchise.

Err, neither did "These Are the Voyages." Not only had Enterprise already been cancelled when it was made (otherwise it wouldn't have been made at all), but of course the franchise is still alive and well and profitable today.

 

[Reverend]

Well at least The Holiday Special didn't kill a franchise.

Err, neither did "These Are the Voyages." Not only had Enterprise already been cancelled when it was made (otherwise it wouldn't have been made at all), but of course the franchise is still alive and well and profitable today.

Yeah it didn't kill it so much as it was a death rattle of the old regime.

The one thing that's stuck with me after all these years is the comment one of the producers made before it aired that the last episode was almost their valentines note to the fans (or words to that effect.) Which just demonstrated how out of touch they were since it was the valentines equivalent of half a ziplock bag of used massage oil and the Barry White mix tape they made for their last girlfriend. And I bet they still wonder why they got dumped.


...which has nothing whatsoever to do with Rebels.

Anyway, back on topic: Should we be opening a season two thread, or just keep this one going as the general Rebels thread for now?

 

[fireproof78]

You're right.. this was old EU (keep forgetting that everything besides the movies themselves is now invalid).

So i guess the appearance of the A Wing and B Wing now makes sense (sort of) because they are well known ships.

The movies, the Clone Wars & Rebels animated series and a handful of recent books is I think the extent of official canon these days.

Honestly I think it's one of the best things that they could have done. The EU has been a bloated, confused mess for years, mostly down to that impractically complicated "tiered" canon system that desperately tried to get just about everything ever published into what I can only describe as a Frankenstien's monster of continuity.

I agree. I had a book called the Star Wars dictionary that documented different concepts and ideas throughout the EU. That thing was as thick as a real dictionary, and that was before all the Vong storylines, and such. I didn't feel like I could keep up.

Rebels (TCW) is definitely a refreshing feel to the franchise as one universe that I can keep track of, rather than annoyed that I didn't read "X" novel and know about "Y" character or event.

I haven't seen all of Rebels, but I at least feel like I can catch up now

 

[Hartzilla2007]

And the Holiday Special. That's totally canon.

Holiday Special is to Star Wars what These Are The Voyages is to Star Trek.

Come now, the Holiday Special is not quite *that* bad.

Didn't Lucas say he wanted all the copies of the thing destroyed.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

A thing to note. All those Clone Troopers are actually only maybe 27 years old at the time of Rebels. Yet they look like badass Santa. Any remaining Clone Wars era trooper in the Empire would also look like that (save with regulation hair and a newer uniform).

Boba Fett would look like that too if he came back in the new movies.

Didn't Lucas say he wanted all the copies of the thing destroyed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_Holiday_Special
On the 2010 television program Times Talk, New York Times columnist David Carr asked Carrie Fisher about the special; she said that she made George Lucas give her a copy of the special in exchange for recording DVD commentary for the Star Wars films. She added that she shows it at parties, "mainly at the end of the night when I want people to leave."

And the source to confirm though I can't get the video to play:
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2...sher-discusses-the-star-wars-holiday-special/


Though to be fair he has stated he'd like to see it destroyed. Just wanted to point out that while saying that he hasn't apparently actually tried to do it.

 

[Skywalker]

A thing to note. All those Clone Troopers are actually only maybe 27 years old at the time of Rebels. Yet they look like badass Santa. Any remaining Clone Wars era trooper in the Empire would also look like that (save with regulation hair and a newer uniform).

Boba Fett would look like that too if he came back in the new movies.

If Fett does return in the ST, he'll be around 60 years old. Temuera Morrison is 54, according to Wikipedia. I wonder if they'd bring him back as Fett or if they'll continue their silly "Eww, prequel cooties!" stance.