Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)
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Gemma becomes the new Madame Hydra.
There was a point recently in the comics where Madame Hydra for medical reasons had to wear a live octopus as a hat.
Gemma becomes the new Madame Hydra.
There was a point recently in the comics where Madame Hydra for medical reasons had to wear a live octopus as a hat.
Not really, Fury chose Coulson to lead SHIELD and he didn't need anybody's opinion to do so.
That's not actually how democracy works. He has an equal vote to everyone else, but if the vote goes against him, then he's obligated to accept the outcome. (A principle that many politicians in Washington seem to have forgotten these days.)
And his name is Agent Tomas Calderon.
But two S.H.I.E.L.D.s sprung from the ashes on that day.
One is another autocracy sanctioned by Fury.
The other is council of peers with equal voting privileges founded on the theory that Fury is a dick.
Neither answer to the World Security Council, so neither is the real S.H.I.E.L.D..
The World Security Council is a democracy authorized by 5 immensely powerful countries representing a decent fraction of the persons on their globe.
You really just can't help blowing things out of proportion can you? The whole conversation with Skye made it perfectly clear that she is already getting over the issues she had when Skye and Raina first went through Teregenesis. Sure she might still have some problems with enhanced people but I think it's pretty clear that she's already starting to calm down. I really think her initial reaction came about more from the fact that Raina had killed a bunch of her agents, Trip had just died, and they had no idea what had happened. Now that they have better idea what is going on, she seems to be calming down, and once they learn more about the Inhumans I have a feeling she'll move farther away from her initial attitude.Oh, yes, a super power giving Virus was definitely the rational explanationShe definitely talked about doing a lot of tests, and she would have kept Skye locked up forever if she could have. And she obviously wants to kill super powered people, because she wouldn't shut up about killing Raina, and she wasn't saying it because of something Raina had done to Coulson ages ago.
Like I said, the fact that she didn't instantly join Mockingbird, is a point for her, its the first good thing she's done since Skye transformed.
No, I'm not saying that. But, the dissent certainly makes her seem more on Fake SHIELD's side, and she was definitely unsubtle about how far her ideas about things differ from Coulson. If Coulson's group was the only SHIELD, it would probably be something she'd change her mind on if she was around Skye enough. But now I can easily see her betraying Coulson, since Gonzales's team is doing exactly what she wants.
I'm not saying that she is against Coulson, but I doubt she would have supported him if he started getting too friendly with a super powered person. I will point out that, for all they knew when they first confronted Mac/MB, Mockingbird/Mac could have been HYDRA, so it would make sense for Simmons to take her out, even if Simmons isn't super loyal to Coulson. Simmons is a lot of things, but even I'll admit she's not a HYDRA supporter.
Fitz, if anything, is too sympathetic towards evil people, showing Mac more compassion than Simmons has shown Skye, but I don't hold it against him. Simmons would have helped Mac anyway (although I wish Mac had just never recovered, at least his death might have redeemed him a little).
As for her friend, its like the HYDRA thing. The academy agent is no longer a friend to a real SHIELD agent, she's just like Mockingbird or Ward. A traitor to SHIELD, and one that needs to be put away, not cooperated with. Simmons should be looking for a way to disable her and escape, not look at a traitor's injuries. At the very least she should have told her off, or said something against her.
Simmons developed gloves that suppress the powers she hates, and also causes negative effects to Skye (skye complained about beeing dizzy after putting them on), which would make Skye easier to put down if needed. As for her talking to Skye, that could be a bunch of things. A cover so that Skye will start trusting her, lip service for anyone who could be listening to their call, and yes, maybe even a sign that Simmons might grow out of being a bigoted idiot.
Like I said, taking out Mockingbird, and looking at Fitz before helping Mac, could be the start of Simmons redemption. If she completely recants her bigotry against meta humans I'll go back to liking her, but she hasn't reached that point yet, and I can see her going in many different, bad, directions.
Kirk5555, you do understand that people can be against our heroes, and disagree with them, without being completely evil. I'm actually asking this as an honest question, because you don't seem understand this. It seems like anytime someone does something you don't like or goes against our heroes, they are EVIL AND MUST DIE!!!! That's not always the case.
Except for Jenny Agutter's character there is no more council. Both SHIELD factions claim to working from Fury's orders. Niether one though appears to be interested in law enforcement or national security.
The thought occurred to me way back after Jemma got back from her excursion as a mole that she might have been brainwashed into becoming a Hydra sleeper agent. It really should have occurred to SHIELD too, though. Consequently, I'd have expected them to thoroughly check her out, and to not reissue her lanyard and so forth if she weren't clean. I suppose Hydra could be just badass enough to fool SHIELD, though, so maybe she's a sleeper.
Actually "the real S.H.I.E.L.D. isn't working from Fury's orders. The whole orginization was born when they disobeyed Fury's order to destroy the Iliad, and now they are making a point of trying to do things differently from how Fury did things. Unless I misunderstood something somewhere, which has been known to happen.
The haven't said what the cargo aboard the Iliad was, that they were trying to keep out of Hydra's hands, and which was the reason Fury wanted the ship destroyed, right?
So, what, she is a cylon now?
What is it with Adama showing up and all these comparisons to BSG starting the same moment?
I've suspected it ever since they introduced the whole "Compliance" schtick, and ever since Jemma has had very little to do beyond lab work and such. It's just out of left field enough that it would be a shock but also the pieces have already been planted that the writers could get away with it.
Season 3 would then be about Jemma being rehabilitated, while Fitz either disappears like she did at the beginning of season 2 or he sticks around and tries to help her.
Great minds think alike, friend.
They haven't. I suspect that's still a plot point they'll address.
The sad part is, I believe you.
And his nickname is Ol' Skinhead, or just Skinhead for short.
Is it possible to disagree with the hero/good guys and not be evil? Yes. To use another show as an example, on Arrow Oliver gets questioned by and has disagreements with his friends, and they're right a good portion of the time. But, in this story arc of Agents of SHIELD, Coulson's group is in the right, in every way possible (not that they're perfect by any means, but in the Real SHIELD vs. Fake SHIELD argument, Real SHIELD is in the right). Coulson's team also never pulled the stuff Gonzales is doing.
So in the end Gonzales group has been sitting on their butts while Coulson's team has been saving the world, and now they decide to take over and impose their will on both Coulson's team and innocent people with powers. Gonzales's side doesn't get any sympathy from me.
As for Simmons, she was condoning murder (which is different than SHIELD agents being forced to kill), and definitely wanted to lock up every powered person. She can possibly redeem herself, but she's definitely been doing/saying some very disgusting things for awhile now, and I think she's not super trustworthy.
No. There's one very important way they're not right--they're vigilantes and fugitives acting against the law and without legal accountability.
No. Simmons was very careful to say that she was talking about a situation in which it was impossible to avoid killing Raina. You are twisting her words in order to condemn her.
This is absolutely false and there is no evidence whatsoever to support this claim.
I thought it was a bit conspicuous how non-specific they were about it.
Anyone have any idea? Blonsky's cryocell? *Another* infinity stone? The Destroyer?
I suppose a better question would be "Why wasn't it in the Fridge already?"
In the interest of fairness, I think it's worth remembering that this is also a view held by Steve Rogers.
He's just someone else who doesn't want to know how the sausage is made.
Considering the coup raised by Hydra, the answer to saving the world wasn't less spies, it's more spies.
By the way, the taking of the Iliad by Hydra was bullshit.
Every third deck hand should have been Hydra. Half the command staff should have been Hydra. The Chief Engineer should have been Hydra and all of security should have been Hydra.
Anyone that could have Die Hard stopped a change of flag on that ship should have gotten a three day pass to Disneyland, or a skype from their spouse with a gun in their mouth.
60 years of planning my ass.
Hmmm.
The Iliad was either carrying Gamma Bombs/missiles or tesseract enhanced nukes.
In either case, the 3000 crew, Hydra and otherwise S.H.I.E.L.D., were not just expendable, but of no value whatsoever compared to allowing that payload to fall into the hands of Hydra who already had plans to kill half the human race in 1945.
It's not worth the risk.
Gonzalez had a 60 percent chance of retaking his ship when his conspiracy decided that Fury was a jerkoff, which means that there was a 40 percent chance that the population of Europe might be reduced to 400 Hulks with a taste for human flesh and no reason to stop eating as they set their sights on Russia.
Considering the coup raised by Hydra, the answer to saving the world wasn't less spies, it's more spies.
By the way, the taking of the Iliad by Hydra was bullshit.
Every third deck hand should have been Hydra. Half the command staff should have been Hydra. The Chief Engineer should have been Hydra and all of security should have been Hydra.
Anyone that could have Die Hard stopped a change of flag on that ship should have gotten a three day pass to Disneyland, or a skype from their spouse with a gun in their mouth.
60 years of planning my ass.
Hmmm.
The Iliad was either carrying Gamma Bombs/missiles or tesseract enhanced nukes.
In either case, the 3000 crew, Hydra and otherwise S.H.I.E.L.D., were not just expendable, but of no value whatsoever compared to allowing that payload to fall into the hands of Hydra who already had plans to kill half the human race in 1945.
It's not worth the risk.
Gonzalez had a 60 percent chance of retaking his ship when his conspiracy decided that Fury was a jerkoff, which means that there was a 40 percent chance that the population of Europe might be reduced to 400 Hulks with a taste for human flesh and no reason to stop eating as they set their sights on Russia.
Well, another thing that occurred to me was that when Coulson was reciting Gonzalez' dossier he made a point of mentioning that Gonzalez had left SHIELD and then come back with a vengeance. That had to be foreshadowing something. Was he recruited by HYDRA during his time off, or was it something else?
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