Who was your favorite Star Trek first officer?

[JirinPanthosa]

Careful about citing majority opinion as an argument for quality. Unless you are also prepared to defend the most popular music, the most popular movies, and the most popular of everything.

TOS and TNG have an advantage over the other three series because much more people are intimately familiar with them. Also TOS is a very top heavy cast, focusing more on the big three than the rest of the cast, and most of the polls so far have focused on the big three positions or positions where the TNG entry isn't one of the strongest.

75% of the time, more popularity is more related to better marketing than better quality.

 

[fonzob1]

Careful about citing majority opinion as an argument for quality. Unless you are also prepared to defend the most popular music, the most popular movies, and the most popular of everything.

TOS and TNG have an advantage over the other three series because much more people are intimately familiar with them. Also TOS is a very top heavy cast, focusing more on the big three than the rest of the cast, and most of the polls so far have focused on the big three positions or positions where the TNG entry isn't one of the strongest.

75% of the time, more popularity is more related to better marketing than better quality.

Big 3? I have produced no poll for "favorite Captain." I would have produced other polls for other main characters if mods had not threatened me about creating too many of them.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=266185&page=2

 

[BillJ]

75% of the time, more popularity is more related to better marketing than better quality.

I'd say all post-TOS the series were better marketed and fresher in the minds of people. I do tend to think the TOS characters are more relatable than those that came later. Which is why I think they tend to be more fondly remembered.

 

[kirkfan]

75% of the time, more popularity is more related to better marketing than better quality.

I'd say all post-TOS the series were better marketed and fresher in the minds of people. I do tend to think the TOS characters are more relatable than those that came later. Which is why I think they tend to be more fondly remembered.

They did things back then that were never done in the series that followed. Like Uhura singing for no reason for example.

 

[Orphalesion]

. I do tend to think the TOS characters are more relatable than those that came later.

With the exception of Spock I never found them particularly relatable. Though I will coincide that finding somebody relatable, again comes down to extremely individual criteria.
One is probably age, you have a few years on me and thus probably find it easier to relate to the old fashioned 60s mentality and social norms in TOS.

When I think now I agree that the TNG cast isn't particularly relatable either they are too "cold" and "removed" for that a lot of the time, same with the Voyager cast, only even more so. Man, especially with the Voyager cast I feel the way that they aare very "proper" and "well mannered" but little else, more like robots than people.

If I would name the characters in Star Trek I, personally, find most relatable it would come down to Spock, Worf, Kira, O'Brien, Quark, Rom and (later season's) Bashier.

Though, in TOS' defense I will bring something up I said on those forums before, in "I, Mudd" Uhura (in a rare character moment for her) said she'd actually like to have a android body in order to stay young and beautiful forever.
I'm sure that resonates with a lot of people and I'd also say that none of the characters in the 24th would even be allowed to think that, let alone say it by the writers (again possibly with the exception of DS9)

 

[tomalak301]

The obvious answer is Spock, but to rank them from favorite to least favorite:

Spock
Kira
Riker
T'Pol
Chakotay

 

[kirkfan]

. I do tend to think the TOS characters are more relatable than those that came later.

With the exception of Spock I never found them particularly relatable. Though I will coincide that finding somebody relatable, again comes down to extremely individual criteria.
One is probably age, you have a few years on me and thus probably find it easier to relate to the old fashioned 60s mentality and social norms in TOS.

When I think now I agree that the TNG cast isn't particularly relatable either they are too "cold" and "removed" for that a lot of the time, same with the Voyager cast, only even more so. Man, especially with the Voyager cast I feel the way that they aare very "proper" and "well mannered" but little else, more like robots than people.

If I would name the characters in Star Trek I, personally, find most relatable it would come down to Spock, Worf, Kira, O'Brien, Quark, Rom and (later season's) Bashier.

Though, in TOS' defense I will bring something up I said on those forums before, in "I, Mudd" Uhura (in a rare character moment for her) said she'd actually like to have a android body in order to stay young and beautiful forever.
I'm sure that resonates with a lot of people and I'd also say that none of the characters in the 24th would even be allowed to think that, let alone say it by the writers (again possibly with the exception of DS9)

But if you were crippled or suffering from a terminal disease, wouldn't you rather live painlessly in an android body than continue like that until you die?

 

[Orphalesion]

But if you were crippled or suffering from a terminal disease, wouldn't you rather live painlessly in an android body than continue like that until you die?

That's why I wrote I am sure it resonates with many people. I am far from even close to aging (as was Uhura) and still if someday offered me a perfectly human looking, un-aging android body, I'd be very tempted to accept that offer.

 

[kirkfan]

But if you were crippled or suffering from a terminal disease, wouldn't you rather live painlessly in an android body than continue like that until you die?

That's why I wrote I am sure it resonates with many people. I am far from even close to aging (as was Uhura) and still if someday offered me a perfectly human looking, un-aging android body, I'd be very tempted to accept that offer.

Too bad we're not anywhere close to something like that.

 

[BK613]

The moment Spock entered this contest the rest didn't matter anymore. Game over man, game over!!!!

That's a quote from Alien II.

No that is a quote from Aliens.

 

[kirkfan]

The moment Spock entered this contest the rest didn't matter anymore. Game over man, game over!!!!

That's a quote from Alien II.

No that is a quote from Aliens.

Six of one...

 

[MacLeod]

Careful about citing majority opinion as an argument for quality. Unless you are also prepared to defend the most popular music, the most popular movies, and the most popular of everything.

TOS and TNG have an advantage over the other three series because much more people are intimately familiar with them. Also TOS is a very top heavy cast, focusing more on the big three than the rest of the cast, and most of the polls so far have focused on the big three positions or positions where the TNG entry isn't one of the strongest.

75% of the time, more popularity is more related to better marketing than better quality.

Big 3? I have produced no poll for "favorite Captain." I would have produced other polls for other main characters if mods had not threatened me about creating too many of them.

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=266185&page=2

I don't thing the issue was so much the number of polls but the frequency of them. If you had left say 48 hours between creating them I think it would have been less of an issue but I'm sure a Mod will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[The Old Mixer]

On the subject of TOS characters being in the lead, for my money it's the nature of the polls...they ask for our favorite amongst a group who hold a particular job in-series. For those of us who know/love TOS, those characters spring to mind because they defined those in-universe roles...others who filled them in subsequent series were doing variations on the originals.

I love TNG and like DS9 a lot, but nobody out-sciences Spock, out-doctors McCoy, or out-engineers Scotty. Those characters are Trek's archetypes of their roles.

(And I like to think that story-wise, Kirk was the de facto security chief on TOS...he was the one who did the lion's share of the shooting and brawling on the series.)

 

[kirkfan]

On the subject of TOS characters being in the lead, for my money it's the nature of the polls...they ask for our favorite amongst a group who hold a particular job in-series. For those of us who know/love TOS, those characters spring to mind because they defined those in-universe roles...others who filled them in subsequent series were doing variations on the originals.

I love TNG and like DS9 a lot, but nobody out-sciences Spock, out-doctors McCoy, or out-engineers Scotty. Those characters are Trek's archetypes of their roles.

(And I like to think that story-wise, Kirk was the de facto security chief on TOS...he was the one who did the lion's share of the shooting and brawling on the series.)

Plus seniority in the job has to count for something.

 

[Lucky]

I think I have to go with Riker on this one.

 

[kirkfan]

I think I have to go with Riker on this one.

You're not even tempted to vote for Spock?