Could you elaborate a little on what your criteria are for being a bad klingon? I mean, it could just be a case of having different expectations. As for the worst klingons, i've ever seen. The one eating worms while plotting Geordi's act of terrorism seemed a little too much for me, to give one example.
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Could you elaborate a little on what your criteria are for being a bad klingon? I mean, it could just be a case of having different expectations. As for the worst klingons, i've ever seen. The one eating worms while plotting Geordi's act of terrorism seemed a little too much for me, to give one example.
My criteria is just "bad acting".
The guy in The Chase was grunting and posturing and doing all the Klingon stuff, but he was unconvincing.
When I see Michael Dorn, Tony Todd, Christopher Lloyd, David Warner, Mark Lenard, John Colicos and Michael Ansara, I see Klingons.
The guy in The Chase was a guy made up like a Klingon, but somehow his performance rang false.
In other words, there was just something fake about the guy.
Hard to put a finger on it.
The guy in The Chase was grunting and posturing and doing all the Klingon stuff, but he was unconvincing.
When I see Michael Dorn, Tony Todd, Christopher Lloyd, David Warner, Mark Lenard, John Colicos and Michael Ansara, I see Klingons.
The guy in The Chase was a guy made up like a Klingon, but somehow his performance rang false.
In other words, there was just something fake about the guy.
Hard to put a finger on it.
I thought he was too Klingon. That is, he acted like a Klingon, but went a step too far, and became almost a parody. Like he was trying too hard. I was surprised at the time that Worf didn't take him down at least once.
It's funny. I never noticed that Mark Lenard also played a Klingon. To me he'll always be Spock's father.
It is hard to put a finger on. The actor in The Chase may have seemed while fine reading for the part, who knows? Maybe after the forehead, beard, teeth, etc. were added, some subtler virtues may have been lost. But to me it comes down to what I call 'character shorthand', an actor who seems to posess a 'physical equivalent' of the mental characteristics desired. For example, Leonard Nimoy appears very intelligent, so it helps in his portrayal of Spock.
Let me put it this way: you might see or know someone in real life who at first glance may seem socially withdrawn or awkward, not saying much, or whatever offbeat trait, yet it turns out he's a fantastically talented piano player or writer. Perhaps they have a photographic memory, or some other trait which you never woulds have guessed at the beginning. On the other hand, someone well-spoken and smart-seeming might make all sorts of foolish mistakes and actually be very inept socially. That's just how real people are...they are who they are.
You can also catch someone in an element that doesn't highlight their strengths, giving incorrect impressions of them. This sort of wrong place, wrong time thing is part of all our lives.
In the time-format of movies and tv, there's not always the opportunity to get to know someone in the same way you would in real life. People and events must be truncated to maximize impressions and get the most out of the rime we spend with them...after all, the clock is ticking.
Now, regarding The Chase, the Klingon captain was dealing with ship command, scientific matters of dna fragments and whatnot. The guy as presented had more of an aura of someone in a rough biker bar, the type you could imagine being the one to break a pool cue in half!
I'm not expressing this well, but that's why I mentioned the Klingon underling in Unification. That actor seemed to have the potential to convey (again, in that 'shorthand' way) the qualities of authority and intellectual curiosity lacking from The Chase character. Like I said earlier, switch the actors, and I think everything would've been fine.
I'm not picking on the creators of the show at all, 'cause it's probably just that things don't always go as planned: that's one thing that film and real life most definitey have in common!
I think FormerLurker pretty much nails it.
The actor tried too hard and it became a SNL Klingon. There was also a sort of lack of authority to the guy. I kept thinking, "This guy is commanding a Klingon ship?"
The guy makes Klaa look like Kruge.
The thing is that we never heard Klaa say a word of English. Somehow the klingons that never speak English seem different from the others.
"I apologize. The attack upon your ship was not authorized by my government."
I wonder at times if Klaa was so badass (effectively or not) because General Korrd was his older brother, or even his dad. They do share a forehead, after all, the primary sign of Klingon family relations.
I wonder at times if Klaa was so badass (effectively or not) because General Korrd was his older brother, or even his dad. They do share a forehead, after all, the primary sign of Klingon family relations.
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I, on the other hand, immediately recognised the female changeling as the holographic woman at the end of The Chase
And that means that you saw them in roughly chronological order.
I liked 'The Chase' Klingon captain. He adds depth to the race. When he begrudgingly accepts Picard's offer to come along, his spite at having to even be in a position to be offered that option is palpable. Yet, he is smart enough to accept.
He seems like a grandkid of augment virus affected bloodlines.
He seems like a grandkid of augment virus affected bloodlines.
At that point in history, all klingons are supposed to be so.
How come we never saw any ridge-sporting Klingon during the TOS era? How come Kor started without ridges? and then had them?
No, something happened that reversed the effect of the virus and it affected ALL klingons.
The whole thing isn't satisfactorily explained in canon. It is however clear according to the Memory Alpha Entry that it did not infect all Klingons.
The worst TNG Klingon IMO was the captain of the Pagh in' A Matter of Honor'. Really didn't care for that performance. But the first officer on the other hand was one of the best of the series, luckily we saw him play a Klingon again on the bridge of Lursa and B-Tors BOP in Generations.
Bashir and O'Brien were surprised to see smooth foreheaded klingons, so it means there was none during their time.
There was no klingons with ridges during the TOS era and none of the three big, Kor, Kang and Koloth had ridges back then, yet they all had them on DS9.
To me it is manifest that whatever happened to the klingons affected all of them and only until the first years of the Kirk era. After that they were all healed.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Just because you didn't see a ridged Klingon during the first three years, doesn't mean there weren't any. (In universe, that is. Obviously.) Did they start curing them the day after TOS finished or wait until a few weeks before TMP?
Quite a few years separate the last episode of TOS and TMP. So it could be anytime between these two dates. Plus you know how fast ST cures for diseases operate.
The 3-5 seasons of TNG were definitely the best. The 6th was ok, but certainly not as good as the previous ones. I mean, its hard to compete with those great episodes like Yesterday's Enterprise, Sins of the father, Best of both worlds, etc. Just wait until you get to the 7th season, then they really get strange.
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