What would Picard do?

[just_me]

Beginning of the Star Trek Into Darkness there is a vulcan that will explode very soon and as you know Kirk sends Spock to stop the vulcanic activity which can be considered violation of prime directive. Then something goes wrong and Spock stucks there and Kirk attempts to save him and there is 2. violation of prime directive. Im asking what would Picard do would, he let him die people on planet and if he wouldnt let this happen would he attepmt to save his officer probably Riker or Data?
I think he would save the people but im not sure about 2.question

 

[BillJ]

Really don't know because Picard took contradictory actions during the series. See "Pen Pals" and "Homeward".

 

[T'Girl]

The prime directive in the prime universe was a different rule during TOS, than it was during TNG.

What the prime directive was in the alternate universe isn't clear to me, was Kirk in trouble for neutralizing the volcano (initially in secret), for stealing some holy scroll (why?), or for letting the Enterprise be seen in the sky. Obviously he screwed himself by lying on his report.

There's a possibility that Captain Picard might have attempted to neutralize the volcano, afterwards his report would have been complete and forthcoming. That he would have submerged the Enterprise Dee in the ocean is out of the question. The thing with the scroll I don't see happening.

If he could not have beamed "Spock" out of the volcano, despite their best efforts, I could actually see Picard doing nothing more.

 

[Melakon]

I still don't understand why they were underwater in the first place. It seems like everything could have been done with the ship in standard orbit.

 

[BillJ]

I still don't understand why they were underwater in the first place. It seems like everything could have been done with the ship in standard orbit.

I think it was done to show Kirk as being reckless and not ready for command.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

It seems like everything could have been done with the ship in standard orbit.

Except use the transporters.

 

[Vandervecken]

It seems like everything could have been done with the ship in standard orbit.

Except use the transporters.

And, for a spaceship, look less dramatic.

 

[Dexter Remmick]

Really don't know because Picard took contradictory actions during the series. See "Pen Pals" and "Homeward".

In Pen Pals, Picard feels he has no choice but to answer the pleas of Data's friend. Though I thought he could have said tough s* and let's move on. His respect for and friendship with Data is what acted upon his good will.

I don't think Picard would have done anything for those aliens in STID. It was a clear cut non interference Prime Directive scenario. He would have let them die with no harm done to his crew.

It was as much an indictment on Spock as it was on Kirk. Didn't appear as though Spock was ordered into that volcano. It was as much a breach of the PD on both their parts.

 

[2takesfrakes]

In Symbiosis, Picard was presented with another PRIME DIRECTIVE situation where he had to walk a fine line and he solved that problem in a cool way. He understands the spirit of the law, as well as what the obligations are and where there's room to manuever, he'll take as much as he wants or needs. But he has always seemed reluctant to, because of his sense of duty, I suspect. He understands that he's playing with the fate of entire worlds, sometimes, and it's one of those aspects about him that makes him a much more believable character than maybe some of this franchises Captains.

Kirk, couldn't give 2 shits less. Given the broadest strokes of a planetwide situation, like what went on with the people of Vaal, Kirk saw that the people were happy and loved and long-lived. BUT.......but.......he didn't like the reason why, so he pulled the plug on it, because he could. Then ... he just wandered off and totally forgot about the place, whilst the people of Vaal had to pick up the pieces of their world, left in shambles. I mean ... Picard would be so deeply offended by this stunt. But in GENERATIONS, we could tell how much in admiration of Kirk that Picard was, none-the-less. So, what can you say about Picard, really? As far as STAR TREK characters go, he's a complicated mosaic ...

 

[hux]

Picard would have saved the planet, saved Spock, neutralised the volcano, had some Earl Grey, told Wesley to shut up, invented a new type of cheese and would never have even left his chair

All without breaking the prime directive

 

[Green Shirt]

Picard would have saved the planet, saved Spock, neutralised the volcano, had some Earl Grey, told Wesley to shut up, invented a new type of cheese and would never have even left his chair

All without breaking the prime directive

No wonder the ship's kids had "Captain Picard Day".

 

[just_me]

Picard would have saved the planet, saved Spock, neutralised the volcano, had some Earl Grey, told Wesley to shut up, invented a new type of cheese and would never have even left his chair

All without breaking the prime directive

I think best part of it is that he would have made wesley quiet

 

[bbjeg]

I don't think Picard would have done anything for those aliens in STID. It was a clear cut non interference Prime Directive scenario. He would have let them die with no harm done to his crew...

This.

 

[SPCTRE]

Beginning of the Star Trek Into Darkness there is a vulcan that will explode very soon

Are we positive we're not talking about the porn parody?

 

[BillJ]

I don't think Picard would have done anything for those aliens in STID. It was a clear cut non interference Prime Directive scenario. He would have let them die with no harm done to his crew...

This.

I think my bigger problem is that there are people who think that this is okay. Even in a fictional setting.

 

[hux]

Beginning of the Star Trek Into Darkness there is a vulcan that will explode very soon

Are we positive we're not talking about the porn parody?

So that's why it's called....into darkness

 

[T'Girl]

It seems like everything could have been done with the ship in standard orbit.

Except use the transporters.

Which apparently couldn't be used from under the seas either.

 

[Richard Baker]

That scene in STID never makes much sense to me. I do not see how allowing the natives to survive would violate the prime directive if they had no idea how or what actually happened. The violations came with parking the Enterprise under water just off shore (instead of a couple of miles away on the other side of the volcano and the unfathomable action of Kirk stealing a sacred scroll. Why steal the scroll or for that matter by even go on shore in the first place?

As mentioned above, Picard has had different behaviors regarding the prime directive- allowing a civilization to die or be saved so it is hard to guess which might happen in this case. I would like to think Picard would stop the volcano and use an automated probe instead of sending an officer inside. Keep the ship out of sight in orbit and all the natives would know is the big mountain made a bunch of noise and smoke then stopped making noise.and smoke.

 

[galleywest]

Picard would have saved the planet, saved Spock, neutralised the volcano, had some Earl Grey, told Wesley to shut up, invented a new type of cheese and would never have even left his chair

All without breaking the prime directive

I don't think Picard would have done anything for those aliens in STID. It was a clear cut non interference Prime Directive scenario. He would have let them die with no harm done to his crew.

Either one of these is believable. Especially the part about the cheese.

But seriously, it would really depend on the circumstances. Picard dealt thoughtfully with complex PD issues as they arose in the course of his duty. Kirk seems to seek out ways to challenge the rules, 'cos he's Kirk and that's what he does. Both approaches make them the legendary captains that they are.

 

[just_me]

That scene in STID never makes much sense to me. I do not see how allowing the natives to survive would violate the prime directive if they had no idea how or what actually happened. The violations came with parking the Enterprise under water just off shore (instead of a couple of miles away on the other side of the volcano and the unfathomable action of Kirk stealing a sacred scroll. Why steal the scroll or for that matter by even go on shore in the first place?

As mentioned above, Picard has had different behaviors regarding the prime directive- allowing a civilization to die or be saved so it is hard to guess which might happen in this case. I would like to think Picard would stop the volcano and use an automated probe instead of sending an officer inside. Keep the ship out of sight in orbit and all the natives would know is the big mountain made a bunch of noise and smoke then stopped making noise.and smoke.

I think your 1. paragraph wrong because prime directive doesnt allow to do anything with people who dont have a warp tech. It sometimes sounds wrong but there must be a exact line that decides when to stop