Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Frodo Lives]

I just had a crazy thought, like, really, batshit crazy.

What if it's Peter who dies at the end of Civil War instead of Cap? That way 2017's Spidey film can be Miles?

Of course for that to have any real impact, it would make more sense to have Garfield return as Spider-Man, one last time.

Shades of the Ultimate-verse indeed.

Yeah, it's completely implausible either Sony or Marvel would go that route, Pete being the rainmaker name for the Spider-Man franchise, and both have invested so much time to work out the deal for the rights.

But a nerd can dream, right?

I kinda feel for Garfield, having the opportunity to play in the big leagues just slip through his grasp.

C'mon, Marvel, at least let the guy audition again.

Sure AM1 was only okay, and AM2 sure did stink up the joint, but there are still plenty of salvageable parts; adding the OsCorp super-soldier program to the MCU could open up not just a tonne of potential villains, but also heroes as well, which Civil War is gonna need.

Okay, maybe not need, so much as, make a lot cooler.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The MCU is largely, but not entirely, based on the Ultimate Universe. Peter was very young in that universe so it fits nicely. It looks like Marvel's upcoming event this summer is largely designed to more closely align the comics with the movies so it will be interesting to see what happens to the Peter/Miles dynamic.

Thankfully not entirely or else they'd never go within a 1000 miles of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

And Ultimate Cap is a bit of a douche.

 

[Frodo Lives]

The MCU is largely, but not entirely, based on the Ultimate Universe. Peter was very young in that universe so it fits nicely. It looks like Marvel's upcoming event this summer is largely designed to more closely align the comics with the movies so it will be interesting to see what happens to the Peter/Miles dynamic.

Thankfully not entirely or else they'd never go within a 1000 miles of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

And Ultimate Cap is a bit of a douche.

Well he was the President, kinda goes with the job.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Thankfully not entirely or else they'd never go within a 1000 miles of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

And Ultimate Cap is a bit of a douche.

Well he was the President, kinda goes with the job.

He was douche even before that. Captain America should never be a douche.

 

[Turtletrekker]

^This.

 

[Skywalker]

The MCU is largely, but not entirely, based on the Ultimate Universe. Peter was very young in that universe so it fits nicely. It looks like Marvel's upcoming event this summer is largely designed to more closely align the comics with the movies so it will be interesting to see what happens to the Peter/Miles dynamic.

Thankfully not entirely or else they'd never go within a 1000 miles of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.

And Ultimate Cap is a bit of a douche.

That's what happens when you let Mark Millar anywhere near your comic book.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

Hey, I just realised something.

Marvel has the rights to Wilson Fisk.

That means theoretically The Kingpin could be used in a Spider-Man movie.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Hey, I just realised something.

Marvel has the rights to Wilson Fisk.

That means theoretically The Kingpin could be used in a Spider-Man movie.

*happy memory of Spider-Man: The Animated Series*

 

[Tom Hendricks]

Hey, I just realised something.

Marvel has the rights to Wilson Fisk.

That means theoretically The Kingpin could be used in a Spider-Man movie.

*happy memory of Spider-Man: The Animated Series*

Even more fond of Spidy and his Amazing Friends

 

[Reverend]

Obviously the other reason he needs to be young is to avoid having to explain why he never appeared in the last 10 Marvel movies, even though they're all set in pretty much the same city.

Yeah, I'd say Uncle Ben would have to have been killed fairly recently for it to be credible. A few years at most. Long enough that he's quasi-established and experienced, but recent enough that he shouldn't have shown up already.

Slightly crazy thought: what if Uncle Ben were killed during the Chitauri invasion? It'd be a nice tie-in to the Avengers, but it'd be a bit tough coming up with a way to make Peter feel personally responsible for that.

Also, I wonder if they'll want to somehow tie-in to the Inhumans story thread? Maybe the spider that bit him was a result of experiments with a terrigen crystal shard? Maybe Oscorp used to be a Hydra front, but with the controlling cell taken down, they're free of their influence and in possession of a nice stash of things (including said crystal) that should have been on the slingshot?

I know I'm reaching, but given how interconnected the MCU is, you'd think it's logical that they'd be looking for multiple ways to integrate the IP.

If nothing else I expect to see extras reading the Daily Bugle in AoS before long.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Hey, I just realised something.

Marvel has the rights to Wilson Fisk.

That means theoretically The Kingpin could be used in a Spider-Man movie.

I'm pretty sure the rights to Kingpin were shared between Marvel and Spider-Man. He could have appeared in a Spider-Man movie if they wanted him to.

 

[Venardhi]

Slightly crazy thought: what if Uncle Ben were killed during the Chitauri invasion? It'd be a nice tie-in to the Avengers, but it'd be a bit tough coming up with a way to make Peter feel personally responsible for that.

Peter was out at one of his wrestling matches or whatever when the invasion happened. Uncle Ben rushes out to get him from his alibi location and dies while Peter holes up waiting for it to end. You get the tragic death plus an even more potent moment of his "great responsibility" shirked.

 

[.:: TSN ::.]

Do you think that Spider-Man deal will/should affect Jessica Jones series on Netflix?

Jessica Jones is supposed to air sometime in late 2015. And Civil War, according to some sources, will start filming in April. So they should be casting new Spider-Man pretty soon. That would leave plenty of time to film short high school segment for Jessica Jones series.

From wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Jones)

Midtown High student, Jessica Campbell, was present when Peter Parker was bitten by the irradiated spider, which gave him his powers. She had a crush on him, and had just plucked up the courage to speak to him, when he was distracted by the bite. She also had a celebrity crush on teen heart-throb Johnny Storm.

Soon thereafter, Jessica was riding in a car with her family when they collided with a military convoy carrying radioactive chemicals. Her family was killed, and after spending several months in a coma, she awoke, stirred by the first coming of Galactus outside her hospital room. She was placed in an orphanage and adopted by the Jones family.

Jessica later discovered that her radiation exposure granted her super strength, limited invulnerability, and flight (which she never fully mastered during her superhero career). The Joneses re-enrolled Jessica at Midtown High, where she was ostracized by her classmates, especially Flash Thompson. Peter Parker (who had since become Spider-Man) sensed in Jessica a kindred spirit — someone who had also lost family due to a tragic circumstance. Jessica mistook his kind attention and lashed out at him, believing he was merely pitying her.

She later witnessed a fight between Spider-Man and the villain Sandman in her own class. This inspired her, in a way she cannot put into words, to use her abilities in a positive light.

Probably too low profile way to reveal new Peter Parker, even if there wouldnt be spider-costume.

EDIT:

And does anyone know how AKA Jessica Jones will deal with Jessica's past career as superhero? Will it be in flashbacks or play in "realtime" in first episode(s)?

If flashbacks, then couldnt it also apply to Spider-Man? If Jessica Jones's superhero career has gone unnoticed by everyone in the MCU, then why also not Spider-Man's career until now?

 

[Reverend]

^Just going by that synopsis, the timeline would have to be way too compress for it to work as-is. Plus the Peter Parker connection is clearly just a tie-in for the sake of a ties-in and she has no real substantive bearing on Peter's story nor he on her's. Plus,

Plus of course they've cast an actress in her 30's to play Jessica and they're after a younger Peter, so their ages won't match.

Slightly crazy thought: what if Uncle Ben were killed during the Chitauri invasion? It'd be a nice tie-in to the Avengers, but it'd be a bit tough coming up with a way to make Peter feel personally responsible for that.

Peter was out at one of his wrestling matches or whatever when the invasion happened. Uncle Ben rushes out to get him from his alibi location and dies while Peter holes up waiting for it to end. You get the tragic death plus an even more potent moment of his "great responsibility" shirked.

I had a similar scenario in mind, but I wonder if it's needlessly elaborate. Besides, part of the reason why Spider-man goes after street crime is precisely because Ben Parker was killed by a random petty criminal. That wouldn't translate so well if he'd died in the crossfire of an alien invasion.

Hmm....what if he died trying to protect some shop owner from looters--maybe while looking for Peter (who didn't show up at the library) in the chaos? Because you know people are stupid and even in the aftermath of an alien invasion, some idiot is going to try and take advantage. And yeah, Peter's guilt come from the fact that all the while, he was cowering in a subway station. Maybe even saw other people die and was to afraid to even try to help?

It's doable, but it depends on just how much time they want to spend on his origin. Probably easier all round to just go with the bare bones origin and not go into any real detail.

 

[Rincewiend]

Hey, I just realised something.

Marvel has the rights to Wilson Fisk.

That means theoretically The Kingpin could be used in a Spider-Man movie.

I'm pretty sure the rights to Kingpin were shared between Marvel and Spider-Man. He could have appeared in a Spider-Man movie if they wanted him to.

Apparently Kingpin will be in the Daredevil tv show.

 

[TemporalFlux]

I'm pretty sure the rights to Kingpin were shared between Marvel and Spider-Man. He could have appeared in a Spider-Man movie if they wanted him to

Kingpin was tied to Daredevil and controlled by Fox until they sold the rights back to Marvel. That's why they had the Big Man who turned out to be Tombstone in the Sony made Spectacular Spider-man cartoon; they couldn't use Kingpin because it was Fox.

 

[Kelthaz]

Let's leave the Chitauri out of Ben's death. Avoiding small world syndrome is for the best.

 

[EnriqueH]

I have mixed feelings on how to use Spidey.

1) They've had two origin Spiderman movies in a decade, which is too much, and doing it again is akin to all the Superman reboots. Now I don't know about you guys, but even as a major Superman fan, I'm *tired* of all the Krypton and Smallville origin stories. How many different ways are we going to see baby Superman escape? How many times do we have to see Jor El launch the ship? How many times do we have to see him and Lara blow up? And how many times do we have to see the Kents find him and see him discover his powers?

2) I don't know ANYTHING about Miles Morales, but I feel like starting with him, could revitalize the character. We've already had 5 movies with Peter Parker, but another reboot is flirting with tiring the character out.

3) But the problem I have with Miles Morales is that I feel like an Avengers reunion SHOULD be with Peter Parker, the original Spidey.

4) But then starting with Miles, could create a build up for the return of Peter Parker...

 

[M.A.C.O.]

^ But of the 6 Superman films, only 2 of them tell the origin. Superman TM 1978 and MOS 2013. 2006's SR was a "sequel" to Superman 2 from 1980. How that works, idk since Superman 2 has a sequel.

I digress. Each origin should really define the character for the story they plan to tell. TASM 1 feels so redundant of Spider-Man 2002, because they copied and pasted how Peter transitioned from normal to hero. Granted that is his origin but they could've added some variation.

Marvel said awhile ago they weren't interested in retelling the origin. Their Spider-Man will already be established and in costume when he's introduced.

What Marvel should do, is keep Garfield and transition in to Miles. In the comics Miles get's his powers from a Spider bite just like Peter BUT this spider was exposed to the Goblin Formula (used by Norman to become the GG). However the Goblin formula was just Oscorb's attempt of recreating the super soldier formula that made Captain America.

Miles has all the powers Peter has but with a weaker spider-sense and two powers Peter doesn't. Spider camoflauge and venom strike (an electric shock).

They crossed over a few years ago. It was awesome.

Spoiler: SPIDER-MEN

 

[Allyn Gibson]

3) But the problem I have with Miles Morales is that I feel like an Avengers reunion SHOULD be with Peter Parker, the original Spidey.

4) But then starting with Miles, could create a build up for the return of Peter Parker...

Here's what I think could work -- mash together Civil War and The Death of Spider-Man.

Peter Parker, played by Garfield, in Captain America: Civil War. And then he dies in the third act, which ends the Iron Man/Captain America conflict. Post-credits teaser, Miles discovers he has spider-powers, and he decides to honor Peter's sacrifice by becoming the new Spider-Man.

Then, the Miles Spider-Man film could explore Miles' very different life and origin. And, to some extent, continue of the themes and ideas of the Webb films because of how Miles gets his powers.