"Agent Carter" season one discussion and spoilers

[RJDiogenes]

Okay, Agent Carter finally showed up on On Demand and it was a great episode. Lots of fine character development: Dooley is finally realizing that Stark has been framed, we got a look at what makes Thompson tick, Thompson has learned to respect Peggy, and... Sousa has seen through Peggy's disguise. What will he do? They're really playing fair with the characters. I love how Dooley doesn't care that he was wrong about Stark-- he just wants to get to the truth. The scene in the rain was classic 1940s. And it was cute was Jarvis almost tugged on his ear but stopped himself.

It was great to see Peggy reunited with the Howling Commandos and to see more of her real self. One of the things that has irked me a bit about the show so far has been the humorlessness of the main character (not a good idea to market a show as Feminist and make the star humorless), so it was nice to see her unwind a bit with the guys. It's just a shame that they had to mar the reunion with a couple of deaths; that was unnecessary.

Dottie turns out to be quite the little psycho. Apparently handcuffs are her Teddy Bear. And she either wants to impersonate or become Peggy.

Favorite line: "Tell it to the Marines."

 

[Guy Gardener]

Dottie is not a psycho.

She is a woman with a mission armed with the mental and physical tools to achieve that mission.

I may not have been paying attention, are we sure that Leviathan and the Red Room are the same?

(Two awful things could be happening at the same time.)

Stalin is a #### and he is all about the Red Room.

Leviathan might be Russian, but it might not be Stalins'.

Do we really think that Joey is going to tolerate that sort of shit going down in his borders, or that he wouldn't send a black widow to America to create a front against leviathan there?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is a flawed equation if your Enemies Enemies is Joseph Stalin.

 

[JD]

Some of the interviews I read kind of gave me the impression they might not be, but it wasn't entirely clear.

 

[Reverend]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, is a flawed equation if your Enemies Enemies is Joseph Stalin.

Well it certainly wouldn't be the first time, no?

That said, while I have no idea the the history was in the comics, who's to say that in the MCU Leviathan isn't every bit as legitimately sanctioned by the Kremlin as the SSR and later SHIELD is by the Allied governments. Seems a bit unnecessarily convoluted to have the Red Room facility to being used by to separate and *opposed* Soviet intelligence agencies.

On the subject of clandestine organizations; is there one in the comics called "Zodiac"? I'm pretty sure it's name dropped in the Agent Carter short. If so then if there really is a third party at play, that might be the more likely candidate.

I still suspect there's more that Howard isn't saying. I doubt it's true, but I wonder if it'll turn out that Stark has already started building SHIELD and this whole framed for treason thing was a set-up to bait Leviathan out in the open.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Yup.

12 Bad guys dressed up in costumes representative of the Zodiac fighting the Avengers.

The Zodiac Key is a cosmic level weapon that Scorpio uses.

Scorpio turned out to be Jake Fury, younger brother to Nick Fury, which completely put them into opposition against S.H.I.E.L.D..

The Zodiac all died, and were replaced by robots.

The robots were bad ass and kept standing up for evil, for years to come.

 

[RJDiogenes]

Dottie is not a psycho.

She is a woman with a mission armed with the mental and physical tools to achieve that mission.

That's what made her psycho. Anybody who's comfort zone is being handcuffed to her bed is psycho (in the informal sense, of course).

 

[Guy Gardener]

Handcuffs are to this lady as nostalgic as a teddy bear.

The reason she wears them as an adult is because as a child that's when she felt safe and secure, a feeling she wishes to recreate now in the present.

By your standards, anyone who has a binky is a psychopath unless you didn't recognize those bracelets as a comforter?

Killing people without blinking make her a psychopath.

Handcuffing herself to the bed show that she is human being with feelings.

Psychopaths do not have feelings.

...

If she uses handcuffs during sex, does that make her more or less normal considering how much she associates handcuffs with childhood?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

We still haven't had it confirmed that Dottie is the assassin who killed Krzemenski. I still agree that it's likely that that assassin is a woman. But what if it's not Dottie? Could Dottie be trying to protect Peggy? Maybe some of the Red Room trainees work for Leviathan now, but some (besides the girl survivor seen in "The Iron Ceiling") don't.

 

[Forbin]

Yup.

12 Bad guys dressed up in costumes representative of the Zodiac fighting the Avengers.

Even with Neil Adams art, they look ridiculous.

 

[bbjeg]

We still haven't had it confirmed that Dottie is the assassin who killed Krzemenski. I still agree that it's likely that that assassin is a woman. But what if it's not Dottie? Could Dottie be trying to protect Peggy? Maybe some of the Red Room trainees work for Leviathan now, but some (besides the girl survivor seen in "The Iron Ceiling") don't.

That's possible. She did seem somewhat idolized by her, with that creepy mirror scene.

 

[Christopher]

Maybe it's not idolizing Peggy so much as trying to understand her enemy, get into her head in order to find a way to defeat her.

 

[Kosh Naranek]

Jarvis and the Chief. Love the line about "three sides".

Knowlege is a three edge sword.

Kosh Naranek, why aren't you the one who made this quote???? As a fanboy, you should be ashamed!

Because sometimes this fangirl is not the swiftest biscuit?

 

[bbjeg]

Maybe it's not idolizing Peggy so much as trying to understand her enemy, get into her head in order to find a way to defeat her.

She came across as brutal. If her goal was to take her out, she had ample time to do it. She could have let the guy who had the fancy gun attack Peggy to better understand how she fights or even joined him.

 

[Vendikarr]

Who else gets the feeling Dottie is going to be IDed as the mysterious blonde and that will get Peggy out of hot water? Perhaps besides mimicing Peggy's voice, Dottie has other identifying marks similar to Peggy, such as the shoulder marks.

 

[Silvercrest]

Whoops, fangirl. Sorry about that.

 

[Christopher]

She came across as brutal. If her goal was to take her out, she had ample time to do it.

But that's not the only possible agenda one can have toward an enemy. Perhaps her goal is to gain some vital intelligence from Peggy, or to use her to get to Stark, or to frame her for Dottie's own crimes, or any of a hundred possible goals that wouldn't be served by killing her right away.

 

[Forbin]

Who else gets the feeling Dottie is going to be IDed as the mysterious blonde and that will get Peggy out of hot water? Perhaps besides mimicing Peggy's voice, Dottie has other identifying marks similar to Peggy, such as the shoulder marks.

Different body types. And unless Dot has identical bullet wounds in an identical location, the photograph will nail Peggy.

 

[Forbin]

Oh, and, Dot is short for Dorothy.

*Ducks and runs*

 

[Kosh Naranek]

Whoops, fangirl. Sorry about that.

No worries!

My hope is that Sousa will confront her and she will be able to explain or somehow get away and vindicate herself.

The chief already suspects that something bigger is afoot with the whole Stark business.

I don't get why Dottie would be mimicking her voice. Their builds are too different. Unless she is thinking of impersonating her on the phone? Who knows.

I am really liking this show. Crosses fingers that it gets a second season.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well if she can fool people with the lights turned off?