Dukat - the Real Star of DS9???

[JD5000]

And you think kids went nuts because they didn't get the Nintendo they wanted in 1987....Dukat wanted ALL the Nintendos, and he didn't even get one of them.

Pouty-pout party!

 

[kirkfan]

And you think kids went nuts because they didn't get the Nintendo they wanted in 1987....Dukat wanted ALL the Nintendos, and he didn't even get one of them.

Pouty-pout party!

I really think that what pushed him over the edge was the death of Zihal.

 

[JD5000]

I don't think he every truly resolved how he felt about his daughter and her mother as well as his own actions that led to her birth before she was murdered. It could definitely be the proverbial straw - that's why we're even having this discussion. The DS9 writers and Marc Alaimo made Dukat an unquestionably 'evil' character - but he had a lot of sympathetic, relatable qualities that made him difficult to dismiss as a simple villain.

 

[kirkfan]

I don't think he every truly resolved how he felt about his daughter and her mother as well as his own actions that led to her birth before she was murdered. It could definitely be the proverbial straw - that's why we're even having this discussion. The DS9 writers and Marc Alaimo made Dukat an unquestionably 'evil' character - but he had a lot of sympathetic, relatable qualities that made him difficult to dismiss as a simple villain.

They simplified him after Watlz. He became petty, revengeful, and insane. He wasn't like that before. Toward the end he was reduced to the status of cartoon villain, like the ones that fight Batman or spiderman...

 

[Bad Thoughts]

I don't think he every truly resolved how he felt about his daughter and her mother as well as his own actions that led to her birth before she was murdered. It could definitely be the proverbial straw - that's why we're even having this discussion. The DS9 writers and Marc Alaimo made Dukat an unquestionably 'evil' character - but he had a lot of sympathetic, relatable qualities that made him difficult to dismiss as a simple villain.

According to ISB, Marc Alaimo refused to believe that Dukat was not redeemable all the way to the end of the series, contrary to what was in the scripts.

 

[kirkfan]

I don't think he every truly resolved how he felt about his daughter and her mother as well as his own actions that led to her birth before she was murdered. It could definitely be the proverbial straw - that's why we're even having this discussion. The DS9 writers and Marc Alaimo made Dukat an unquestionably 'evil' character - but he had a lot of sympathetic, relatable qualities that made him difficult to dismiss as a simple villain.

According to ISB, Marc Alaimo refused to believe that Dukat was not redeemable all the way to the end of the series, contrary to what was in the scripts.

He must have been sorely disappointed as the series went on...

 

[JD5000]

That makes me wonder if Alaimo had any influence on the scripts in late season 6/season 7, making Dukat truly unredeemable. When not under the influence of the Pagh-Wraith, his character had redeemable qualities. Once possessed, Dukat lost that.

 

[kirkfan]

That makes me wonder if Alaimo had any influence on the scripts in late season 6/season 7, making Dukat truly unredeemable. When not under the influence of the Pagh-Wraith, his character had redeemable qualities. Once possessed, Dukat lost that.

You'd have to be really crazy to become possessed of your own volition. It would be like asking the borg to assimilate you.

 

[JD5000]

Seven begged for that several times, and Arturis faced that standing up in 'Hope and Fear'.

Both of those characters seem totally sane to me...driven, tortured - yeah. But not crazy.

 

[kirkfan]

Seven begged for that several times, and Arturis faced that standing up in 'Hope and Fear'.

Both of those characters seem totally sane to me...driven, tortured - yeah. But not crazy.

Arturis was a lunatic and Seven only tried to rejoin the collective at the very beginning or a little after when she had hallucinations and was growing borg implants due to a signal coming up from her parent's ship.

Honestly, Arturis was stark raving mad, his desire for revenge had completely consumed his personality. What he needed was years of intense therapy with the proper medication, not to mention a padded room to keep him from hurting himself.