So how much would have quality SFX in TFF helped the movie to you?
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What your problem with me? Seems like every time someone and I have an issue you feel the need to jump in and get in some shot at me.
Really don't you have better things to do than to wait for me to post something just so you can be a dick to me over a situation that you're not even involved in.
Sorry if the word "pee" offends you so much, as apparently does my mere presence here. I also find it pretty arrogant you presume to know me because of a fairly tame phrase that means "Why do you seem do ticked" and it "reveals" who I am to you.
If you want to get it out then be a man or woman and deal with me face to face so to speak. If you're not going to do that then I would appreciate you ceasing this passive/aggressive game you seem to be bent on playing.
I find it ironic your picture is Winston Churchill, a man who gave it to you straight, where you seem to be someone who will get in cheap shots and then whistle like you're not doing anything.
I could use much stronger language to describe this nonsense you engage in, but I'm going to try the diplomatic route of asking you to back off. Failing that though I will be more than happy to tell you what your posts "reveal" to me about you as a person.
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Agreed. The effects were fine as is. In fact, I can still remember sitting in the theater at 19 (my age in 1989), and seeing the effects and feeling nostalgic for sci-fi films of ten years earlier. I knew it was inferior even then, but I didnt care. I liked seeing it.
No, if anything needed fixing on that movie it was the script. That, and the "humor".
In my opinion the effects were not "fine". They were sub-par, but not a major factor is the film's failure. YMMV.
Well that's okay. But I still say the script was what needed work, more so than the effects.
In my opinion the effects were not "fine". They were sub-par, but not a major factor is the film's failure. YMMV.
Well that's okay. But I still say the script was what needed work, more so than the effects.
You do realize that I was agreeing with you that the VFX were not the problem. I only disagreed that they were "fine".
In my opinion the effects were not "fine". They were sub-par, but not a major factor is the film's failure. YMMV.
Well that's okay. But I still say the script was what needed work, more so than the effects.
You do realize that I was agreeing with you that the VFX were not the problem. I only disagreed that they were "fine".
Yes I do.
They say the devil is in the details. My impression of the script for TFF is that the devil was drinking heavily that day, and that's why the details are so bad.
Remember the "Enhanced re-edit project" that has been dragging on for about a dozen years?
I checked in on it and the last post says that the version with the new FX was shown to Shatner and he liked it and said that it was now "his version"
Not sure if he was shown the version where only the effects are changed or either of the other two where some of the "bad parts' were cut out.
At any rate, I don't think it matters what shatner wants of likes at this point. Paramount probably will never release anything but the theatrical version even if the new effects were given to them as a gift.
They showed a lot of "work in progress" effects but I'm not sure if they ever posted the final finished effects for the public to see.
The earlier versions are still viewable on Youtube.
http://www.thecaptainkirkpage.com/trek5se.html
You gotta love how he lists the "Last updated" date as "12/23"----LOL. As if he is making frequent updates and the year is obvious!
It could just as easily mean 12/23/2012 as it does 12/23/14.
I checked in on it and the last post says that the version with the new FX was shown to Shatner and he liked it and said that it was now "his version"
Not sure if he was shown the version where only the effects are changed or either of the other two where some of the "bad parts' were cut out.
At any rate, I don't think it matters what shatner wants of likes at this point. Paramount probably will never release anything but the theatrical version even if the new effects were given to them as a gift.
They showed a lot of "work in progress" effects but I'm not sure if they ever posted the final finished effects for the public to see.
The earlier versions are still viewable on Youtube.
http://www.thecaptainkirkpage.com/trek5se.html
You gotta love how he lists the "Last updated" date as "12/23"----LOL. As if he is making frequent updates and the year is obvious!
It could just as easily mean 12/23/2012 as it does 12/23/14.
I'm sure you're right, but did you look at the FX in question?
its a pity Shatner couldn't have somehow 'found a way' to get ILM on board (did they really need to do Skin Deep, Always, Field of Dreams?) e.g.turning up to the ILM offices talking to the 80s long haired bearded guy in charge ...ILM man blabs on about impossible schedules etc etc. Shatner - "I need you. Damnit man I NEED you!....badly..."(holds out hand. ILM man is reluctant. Shatner extends it more forcefully...ILM guy takes it...)
Yeah but he'd need a good assistant--not another FX supervisor who'd argue every damn shot with him.
I am referring to these videos:
e.g. Directional continuity blown:
From ST5SE
- Shuttle leaves first shot going to screen left, begins next shot facing screen right
- ship zooms outbound traveling to screen right, and in next shot the zoom into the porthole has the ship pointing screen left (for no good reason, they could have put Spock in the same window on the starboard side)
- ship warps off to screen left, then seen at warp going to screen right, then back to screen left... again, this should always be consistent to maintain the sense that that the ship hasn't turned around
And by HIKE Animation:
I can watch a film with good or strong character moments straddled with bad EFX, rather than a film with high-end EFX, but astoundingly poor-to-bad scripting/acting. The latter has been a problem in numerous big-budget fantasy films of the past 15 years, including some of the Marvel & DC movies, JJ Star Trek films, & the entire Star Wars prequel trilogy, among others.
TFF is a film I can revisit because its "big three" character moments on earth and aboard the 1701 are among the best written for the TOS film series. Shatner understood the bond between the "big three" as well--if not better--than any other writer in the movies, so the deep care and sympathy for struggles plays as a natural outgrowth of the TV relationships. for that reason, I can ignore C-grade EFX, that are not the story, or characters.
One of the conventions I've seen used for space travel (and probably naval works as well) is that the ship will always be filmed from one side and move in that one direction while the ship is headig away from home. It will them be filmed from the other side, traveling in the opposite direction, any time they either are heading home, or being forced away from their goal. There are exceptions, but these are usually seen course changes in battle. Space Battleship Yamato uses this. While Yamato on its mission out from Earth she is shown from the port side and heads from screen right to sceen left. She rarely is shown from the starboard side unless forced to back off in battle, or when she has completed her mission and is on her way home. On the way home, she is always filmed going from screen left to screen right with the camera on the starboard side.
^^^
That's basic directional continuity.
I just watched the movie again yesterday. I've seen it twice now and both times I've come away thinking, "wasn't there about 20 minutes missing?" The 20 minutes that actually ties everything together into a coherent plot and payoff. Am I being dense or does the movie just not make any sense?
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