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Number of Star Fleet officers on DS9

You're willing to believe that Avery specifically asked that his character never enter a romantic relationship with a woman who is not brown (Avery's preferred term) but he's totally cool with it if it's only sex?

I'm not saying if it's true or not (I don't know the man or his motivations beyond what he states publicly), only that "someone said it on TrekBBS" isn't much to go on. The imagined idea that he was never with a woman who wasn't brown on DS9 is spurious 'evidence'.

Whom did Sisko have sex with that wasn't "brown"?

MU Jadzia.
 
You're willing to believe that Avery specifically asked that his character never enter a romantic relationship with a woman who is not brown (Avery's preferred term) but he's totally cool with it if it's only sex?

I'm not saying if it's true or not (I don't know the man or his motivations beyond what he states publicly), only that "someone said it on TrekBBS" isn't much to go on. The imagined idea that he was never with a woman who wasn't brown on DS9 is spurious 'evidence'.

Whom did Sisko have sex with that wasn't "brown"?

MU Jadzia.

That's one, but there were extenuating circumstances. To refuse Mirror Jadzia's advances would have blown his cover and endangered the mission and Smiley might have carried out his threat to keep him in the mirror universe permanently.
 
Whom did Sisko have sex with that wasn't "brown"?

MU Jadzia.

That's one, but there were extenuating circumstances. To refuse Mirror Jadzia's advances would have blown his cover and endangered the mission and Smiley might have carried out his threat to keep him in the mirror universe permanently.

If Brooks insisted on not portraying interracial relations, the whole subplot about Jadzia being MU Sisko's mistress would never have been introduced.
 
You're willing to believe that Avery specifically asked that his character never enter a romantic relationship with a woman who is not brown (Avery's preferred term) but he's totally cool with it if it's only sex?

I'm not saying if it's true or not (I don't know the man or his motivations beyond what he states publicly), only that "someone said it on TrekBBS" isn't much to go on. The imagined idea that he was never with a woman who wasn't brown on DS9 is spurious 'evidence'.

Whom did Sisko have sex with that wasn't "brown"?

MU Jadzia.
Ok, you got me there.
 
We don't see that many romances or sexual liaisons for Sisko. First off, we can eliminate Jennifer from any speculations, since the actress had to look like she could plausibly be Cirroc Lofton's mother. So we're left with Fenna, Kasidy Yates, and MU Jadzia.

And, true, two out of those three actresses are darker-skinned. However, given that the only human girl we see Jake date is black, and one of his Bajoran girlfriends has a darker complexion than most Bajorans we see, I think it's more likely that the casting folks had a blind spot than that Avery Brooks made a specific demand.
 
We don't see that many romances or sexual liaisons for Sisko. First off, we can eliminate Jennifer from any speculations, since the actress had to look like she could plausibly be Cirroc Lofton's mother. So we're left with Fenna, Kasidy Yates, and MU Jadzia.

And, true, two out of those three actresses are darker-skinned. However, given that the only human girl we see Jake date is black, and one of his Bajoran girlfriends has a darker complexion than most Bajorans we see, I think it's more likely that the casting folks had a blind spot than that Avery Brooks made a specific demand.
I live in a country where mixed marriages are the norm; two of my closest friends are in one. One of my nephews is practically engaged with an African woman, so I am sensitive to that kind of thing. I find it particuarly grating when people imagine a future of three hundred years from now where things seem to be more prejudiced and bigoted than they are NOW!
 
That's far from being the same thing as a romantic liaison. For one thing he hated the second one, and didn't have much regard for the first one either.

MU Sisko did, but he is not Brooks' normal character on the show.

I fail to see how either of those mean anything in regards to the claim that Avery objected to Sisko being paired with anything other than brown women.

Anyway, the claim needs to be proven, not disproven. It's on the claimant to show proof, not make excuses for evidence that throws doubt on the claim.
 
That's far from being the same thing as a romantic liaison. For one thing he hated the second one, and didn't have much regard for the first one either.

MU Sisko did, but he is not Brooks' normal character on the show.

I fail to see how either of those excuses mean anything in regards to the claim that Avery objected to Sisko being paired with anything other than brown women.

Anyway, the claim needs to be proven, not disproven. It's on the claimant to show proof, not make excuses for evidence that throws doubt on the claim.
Hey, we're not in a tribunal here. I am just telling you what I've heard from several different sources. When there is smoke, you usually look for fire.
 
I am just telling you what I've heard from several different sources.

By "sources" I presume you mean you've read it on this forum.
Yes, I didn't know about Avery Brooks' demand to be coupled with black women exclusively until I read it on this site


When there is smoke, you usually look for fire.
Except there is no smoke beyond some message board people guessing. You said that you're very sensitive to bigotry but have no trouble repeating an unsubstantiated claim that Avery has a racial bias.

Here's yet another example of evidence against...

http://www.playbill.com/news/articl...ew-interpretation-of-death-of-a-salesm-152666
 
I am just telling you what I've heard from several different sources.

By "sources" I presume you mean you've read it on this forum.
Yes, I didn't know about Avery Brooks' demand to be coupled with black women exclusively until I read it on this site


When there is smoke, you usually look for fire.
Except there is no smoke beyond some message board people guessing. You said that you're very sensitive to bigotry but have no trouble repeating an unsubstantiated claim that Avery has a racial bias.

Here's yet another example of evidence against...

http://www.playbill.com/news/articl...ew-interpretation-of-death-of-a-salesm-152666
Nothing that is said here will have any impact whatsoever on Avery Brook. You seem to have no idea what real bigotry is nor on how it destroys the lives of people that are its victims. I sense an escalation on your part. I'd rather stop this conversation before it gets out of bounds.
 
I sense an escalation on your part. I'd rather stop this conversation before it gets out of bounds.
You sense incorrectly. I'm just pointing out reasons why we should doubt the claim.
Ok then but there wasn't any need to get personal. I certainly don't intend to with you. I agree that the claim is not proven but the first time I saw the show it struck me as funny that we never saw Sisko ROMANTICALLY involved with any non black women. It reminded me somewhat of the Cosby show that I find stupid to the extreme, just as I find stupid any show where you see only white people. I'd hate to live in a place where you have zero chances of crossing paths with people of other skin colors.
 
Star Trek The Official Fact Files: Section 2, File 27, Card 1 -

"With approximately 300 permanent residents, plus 50 Starfleet personnel, Deep Space Nine is capable of holding a maximum of 7,000 beings."
The only dates cited within this page are:

> 2369 - "Deep Space Nine is placed under Starfleet administration by the Bajoran Provisional Government."

> 2371 into 2372 - "......it is upgraded by Starfleet in response to the threat from the Jem'Hadar. Phaser banks and Photon Torpedo Launchers are installed in the rings and pylons....."

Henceforth I would assume that the above figure is accurate for the time span you wish to know.
You still cannot beat the physical folders of the Fact Files!
I hope this helps :techman: :cool:

I apologise if this is a repeat of an earlier response.
 
Ok then but there wasn't any need to get personal.
I don't believe I ever "got" personal. If I directly insulted you or presented your stance incorrectly, I apologize.

[...]the first time I saw the show it struck me as funny that we never saw Sisko ROMANTICALLY involved with any non black women.
Did it strike you equally as funny that Bashir, Quark, and Odo were never romantically with a woman who wasn't white?

I'd hate to live in a place where you have zero chances of crossing paths with people of other skin colors.
Which thankfully, the Trek universe has never been. :)
 
...Did it strike you equally as funny that Bashir, Quark, and Odo were never romantically with a woman who wasn't white?...


First of all, that's not true of Quark, the Klingon woman wasn't White.

Second, Bashir is not exactly white himself.

Third, Odo has only been seen with two women, the odds are very much in favor of them being both white.
 
Odo says in 'Field of Fire' that there are over 900 Starfleet personnel on DS9. Here is a direct quote from Memory Alpha's episode synopsis 'Odo points out that there are over 900 Starfleet officers on the Station and that they need to narrow the field of suspects. Sisko assigns Ezri to assist Odo with her forensic psychology training'.
 
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