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Star Trek's Troubling 50th Anniversary

How do you feel about the current state of Trek and its future?

  • Optimistic

    Votes: 50 38.8%
  • Worried

    Votes: 42 32.6%
  • Cautiously Optimistic

    Votes: 37 28.7%

  • Total voters
    129
Who is actually asking for Trek to be "not fun"? I think people take that satirical Onion video way too literally, as if there are actually fans out there that say "I hated nuTrek, it was too fun". :lol:

But you see, the Onion video was based on something, and indeed were an outsider to spend one day going through the Trek BBS he'd be left with the impression that hard core "pure" Trekkies don't want Star Trek to be fun.

Hell, you want funny, pause the Onion video when they show a Star Trek forum page (which suspiciously resembles Trek BBS) and look at the topics being discussed. They really aren't that much different from what was common around here back in 2009. My favourite is "My kid like the movie, Abrams is an honourless petaQ!"
 
It is possible.

Look at this other post on twitter

Mike Jung: On today's episode of News That Bends the Fabric of Reality: my brother's co-writing the next Star Trek movie. http://tmblr.co/ZwO3Pw1b6HUkN

Robert Lee ‏@robilee 20h20 hours ago
@Mike_Jung what the?!? Really?!??!!

Mike Jung
@robilee Hey Rob! It's not in the trade publications yet, but yup, it's a done deal, Doug's co-writing with Simon Pegg.

Reply to @Mike_Jung @robilee
Robert Lee ‏@robilee 13h13 hours ago
@Mike_Jung dude that's amazing!! Simon Pegg!?!!!! *head explodes*

Mike Jung ‏@Mike_Jung 12h12 hours ago
@robilee Amazing, huh? He was already on the map, but this puts him on a MUCH BIGGER map. :)

Simon Pegg???? It is crazy!
 
It is possible.

Look at this other post on twitter

Mike Jung: On today's episode of News That Bends the Fabric of Reality: my brother's co-writing the next Star Trek movie. http://tmblr.co/ZwO3Pw1b6HUkN

Robert Lee ‏@robilee 20h20 hours ago
@Mike_Jung what the?!? Really?!??!!

Mike Jung
@robilee Hey Rob! It's not in the trade publications yet, but yup, it's a done deal, Doug's co-writing with Simon Pegg.

Reply to @Mike_Jung @robilee
Robert Lee ‏@robilee 13h13 hours ago
@Mike_Jung dude that's amazing!! Simon Pegg!?!!!! *head explodes*

Mike Jung ‏@Mike_Jung 12h12 hours ago
@robilee Amazing, huh? He was already on the map, but this puts him on a MUCH BIGGER map. :)

Simon Pegg???? It is crazy!

I like this post. It's exciting!
 
I was fine with that opening in STID because that was at least followed up with Kirk having to face the consequences

Which was fine accept that it came off as mostly Pike chewing Kirk out for not being a genocidal holier than thou asshole, becuase he saved a pre-warp civilization.
 
726 episodes of 6 tv series
12 (soon to be 13 movies)
Dozens of books

Make that "hundreds of books."

Hell, I've written over a dozen myself! :)
It has to be at least 500. And with new ones still coming out monthly, it won't be long before the novels eclipse the episode count.

Add to that X-hundred number of comic books... dozens of videogames... thousands of fanfics...

I know there are 700 Star Trek ebooks...
 
I liked that Kirk tries to offer Nero help, but that's ruined with the way he goes about killing Nero, "You got it!" It's how flippant it's played out. It suggests he didn't believe in Federation values, it was only for show. When Nero denied help, Kirk showed no hesitation to blow him up. It's a mess.

There is something jarring in that, as well as how dismissive he was revealing the Enterprise from it's underwater hideout at the beginning of STID. One could imagine Picard circa TNG S3-S7 would have ripped the living bejezzus out of Kirk after such an incident. Of course TOP GEAR... (errr... ST: Nemesis) Picard might have been more lenient and given a sly smile and wink to the young captain.

I was fine with that opening in STID because that was at least followed up with Kirk having to face the consequences and I liked that they questioned his sudden promotion to captain, even though they ended up rushing through that whole aspect with Kirk being a cadet/XO/captain within ten minutes. The ultimate goal of that story was to have Kirk grow up, presumably into the refined character we're familiar with in TOS. I don't think they did well on that, but I hope by TREK XIII we're well past all of Kirk's growing pains and closer to the more experienced Kirk of TOS. I'm no longer interested in the "Kirk Begins" arc.

Well, I do understand that point of view, I agree with Lance that I have yet to see a convincing argument against Nero's destruction, due to what we know the characters know. Kirk had no way of knowing where the black hole would end up, and given how powerful Nero's ship was, there is no reason not to assume it could end up elsewhere, and he starts all over again.

Maybe Kirk could have been more remorseful at the lack of a choice, but then the same could be argued over Kruge, Chang, and other TOS villains.

I do understand the tiredness of Kirk's growing pains. I think 09 and ID did a great job showcasing his maturing process, culminating in his sacrifice in the end (and I have no qualms over the super-blood.). I don't think Kirk was being sent back to the Academy as a cadet, but as an instructor, much like Spock was in 09. I don't think he would have ended up as XO without Pike's intervention, or captain unless Marcus thought he could manipulate him.

So, I think Trek III will show as a captain based on his own merit, and that outcome will be as close to TOS Kirk as we will get.

I was fine with that opening in STID because that was at least followed up with Kirk having to face the consequences

Which was fine accept that it came off as mostly Pike chewing Kirk out for not being a genocidal holier than thou asshole, becuase he saved a pre-warp civilization.

Which is not any different than Picard in Season 1-2, chewing on other officers for wanting to violate the Prime Directive, especially Riker when he had the powers of the Q.

That scene was very Star Trek, IMO :)
 
Simon Pegg co-writing?? Fuck yeah!

Holy shit, if that's true, I'm super-impressed.

Of course, now Scotty'll be the star of the film. ;)
That's a movie I'd watch. :techman:

Who is actually asking for Trek to be "not fun"? I think people take that satirical Onion video way too literally, as if there are actually fans out there that say "I hated nuTrek, it was too fun". :lol:

But you see, the Onion video was based on something, and indeed were an outsider to spend one day going through the Trek BBS he'd be left with the impression that hard core "pure" Trekkies don't want Star Trek to be fun.

Hell, you want funny, pause the Onion video when they show a Star Trek forum page (which suspiciously resembles Trek BBS) and look at the topics being discussed. They really aren't that much different from what was common around here back in 2009. My favourite is "My kid like the movie, Abrams is an honourless petaQ!"
The Wormhole speaks truth. If you only had this board at the time of STID's release to go by, the segment does look like an exaggeration. However, if you'd been here in 2009, you'd realize that, if anything, the Onion vid understated reactions by quite a bit.
 
Who the hell is Doug Jung? The only person I can find is this guy, and his list of credits hardly screams like a suitable talent to write a movie, let alone one under this much scrutiny.

Clearly he's a writer who has made his bones producing and writing for a couple of cable television shows like Banshee and Big Love but also has a few features under his belt.

What, exactly, constitutes "suitable talent" in your opinion?
 
Who the hell is Doug Jung? The only person I can find is this guy, and his list of credits hardly screams like a suitable talent to write a movie, let alone one under this much scrutiny.

Clearly he's a writer who has made his bones producing and writing for a couple of cable television shows like Banshee and Big Love but also has a few features under his belt.

What, exactly, constitutes "suitable talent" in your opinion?

One feature 12 years ago. And only a handful of episodes from TV shows with a 5 year and 4 year gap between work. It appears he co-created Dark Blue, which, fair play to the guy - I just don't think I buy this guy working with Simon Pegg - someone whom has had no prior working experience with (going on his IMDb page, again, I'm not even sure this is the right guy).
 
Who the hell is Doug Jung? The only person I can find is this guy, and his list of credits hardly screams like a suitable talent to write a movie, let alone one under this much scrutiny.

Clearly he's a writer who has made his bones producing and writing for a couple of cable television shows like Banshee and Big Love but also has a few features under his belt.

What, exactly, constitutes "suitable talent" in your opinion?

One feature 12 years ago. And only a handful of episodes from TV shows with a 5 year and 4 year gap between work. It appears he co-created Dark Blue, which, fair play to the guy - I just don't think I buy this guy working with Simon Pegg - someone whom has had no prior working experience with (going on his IMDb page, again, I'm not even sure this is the right guy).

Does it really matter? Lin will be the one driving the creative process here. Jung and Pegg will be there as sounding boards.
 
Pegg co-writing seems to support the idea that they're going for a lighter GotG-style comedic romp.

726 episodes of 6 tv series
12 (soon to be 13 movies)
Dozens of books

At what point do we say, "you know, I think we've done what we can with this series?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Who
No. of seasons 26 (1963–89)
+ 1 TV film (1996)
No. of series 8 (2005–present)
No. of episodes 813 (97 missing) (List of episodes)

Don't quite think we're there yet.

It's a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison, considering the first 700 episodes of Doctor Who were multi-part serials. Most of those serials could have been trimmed by half and still told the same story.

Not to mention, the time travel aspect gives more flexibility in telling stories.
 
Who the hell is Doug Jung? The only person I can find is this guy, and his list of credits hardly screams like a suitable talent to write a movie, let alone one under this much scrutiny.

Clearly he's a writer who has made his bones producing and writing for a couple of cable television shows like Banshee and Big Love but also has a few features under his belt.

What, exactly, constitutes "suitable talent" in your opinion?

One feature 12 years ago. And only a handful of episodes from TV shows with a 5 year and 4 year gap between work. It appears he co-created Dark Blue, which, fair play to the guy - I just don't think I buy this guy working with Simon Pegg - someone whom has had no prior working experience with (going on his IMDb page, again, I'm not even sure this is the right guy).

He's got a lot of experience; I'm sure he and Pegg will do just fine.
 
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