Re-doing Voyager

[Kobayshi Maru]

According to the book "Mosaic, written by Jeri Taylor, Janeway met Riker at Starfleet Academy. Tyey were obviously at the same age. In that case, Janeway was born in 2335.
According to the book "Star Trek Chronology", written byMichael Okuda and Denise Okuda, both Riker and Chakotay was born in 2335.

As for Tom's accident, according to the book "Pathways", written by Jeri Taylor, three cadets were killed in the accident. On the countrary to Nic Locarno's accident, where the cadets were trying to do a "Kolvoord Starbust", Paris's group of cadets were targeting-shooting at asteroids, Paris made a too-advanced dive which the other cadets couldn't habdle which resulted in two cadets who were trying to follow Tom's moves crashed into the asteroid and the third was caught up in the explosion.

As for the Paris-Locarno mystery, my personal theory is that Nick Locarno was a result of old Owen Paris having an afair with a lady other than his wife. Owen kept quiet about it but supported Locarno so he could go into the academy. There, Locarno messed it up and was kicked out but Owen Paris managed to cover the tracks so that no connection between him and Nick Locarno could be traced. However, Tom found out about it, therefore his dislike and loathe to his father.

As for Nick Locarno himself, according to the novella "Revenant", he was assimilated by the Borg in 2380 (see Memory Beta for further information)

Does that explain why he keeps a picture of Nick Locarno in his cadet uniform on his desk?

 

[RandyS]

Have a Reset Button at every single commercial break of every episode. That way, not only would you never know what was going to happen net, but it would (for some reason I've never understood) annoy the hell out of the audience.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Have a Reset Button at every single commercial break of every episode. That way, not only would you never know what was going to happen net, but it would (for some reason I've never understood) annoy the hell out of the audience.

Yeah, it would be like Voyager was populated by a bunch of people inflicted with Alzheimer's.

 

[Lance]

One correction, Stewart was only 47 when he took the Picard role whereas Picard was supposed to be in his early 60s.

Which was exactly my point in the first place: the age of the actor has got almost nothing to do with the age of character. The same is possibly as true of Janeway as it was of Picard, although it is infuriating that the producers never actually nailed down her age on screen...

Despite your assertion to the contrary, nobody at any point in this thread has ever suggested that

the first major Female Captain has to be some young hot thing?

Strawman arguments are not the recipe for an enjoyable discussion.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

What I would have done with Neelix was keep this contrast between his dark history and inner thoughts and the light boisterous face he shows to everybody. Not a whole lot of specifics were established about the Talaxians, but we know they were basically a conquered race and that his family was killed by a weapon of mass destruction probably in an act of ethnic cleansing. Except, after Jetrel we don't see anything of that.

I would have him act almost the same way around the crew (Only he would NOT have been so annoyed that Tuvok was unemotional). But then you'd have private scenes with Kes where he says things like "They only accept us because we make them smile and feel good about themselves. This is a good situation, let's not mess it up." Also, we'd have cases where Neelix had absolutely no idea about the part of space but he manages to pretend he's an expert on it, for the same reason, kind of like how Baltar exaggerated his genius with a lot of salesmanship to keep everyone happy and trusting him.

 

[Orphalesion]

Paris would be a more angry, resentful character, grief-stricken and looked for a way to lash out at those that hurt him--lots of emotional issues to get over. Neelix would be more of a thief-with-swagger, someone used to taking extreme chances and risks, smooth talking his way out of situations.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought that you envisioned them as foils for one another, just wanted to know in what way.

Interestingly if you look at the series bible this is pretty much how I understand Neelix was supposed to be, just everything from the casting, to the makeup to how the character was actually portrayed and written went against that concept.
Same to Tuvok who's initial concept seemed much more interesting than the character we got on screen.

The concept of the EMH was interesting, but after he got the mobile emitter it was all downhill from there. I'd think the new CMO would be the last Starfleet medic onboard, so Kes would still be the ship's nurse--though would go to the role with some knowledge/experience as a herbalist. She would also be the one they would come to lean on to get through the hard times--I would envision a story on addiction with the new doc, as they are alone in facing an entire quadrant of new viruses, bacteria and parasites, whilst still being very green.

Interesting, I really like this. The other two 24th century medics (Crusher and Bashir) are among my favorite characters in their respective series, probably because "the Quickening" was one of the first Star Trek episodes I ever saw, so I this only added to my dislike of the EMH.
This medic is however someone I'd be very interested in watching.

She was a wasted opportunity. I never understood why she left for the Kazon, her ultimate plan was never revealed and seemed to have no focus. Keeping her on the ship would be far more interesting.

There was sadly so much in Voyager that was not realized or executed as well as it could have been.

My thinking was that we've seen experienced and older captain's, in a situation as extreme as this how would a rookie CO cope/deal with what they were facing (also I like the idea of an established character reprising their role). Not being interested in women-folk her appearance never entered my mind.

Must say the same here and in my understanding Kate Mulgrew was a very attractive woman, I'd even say more so than Shelby. Still it would have been nice to see an established character. Shelby seemed like someone with a larger role.
And I would also like to ask why the first major female Captain had to be the "ship's Mom" who sees her crew as her children? Why must a woman in charge automatically be a maternal figure?
However I must say I also often feel that Janeway has certain similarities with Kirk. After him she was the one most likely to get her hands dirty personally and through herself head first into a dangerous situation.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

They should have made the captain say something like: "We can't get back home from such a distance, why don't we do some exploring and get to know the locals instead?"

 

[dub]

Instead of getting stranded in the Delta Quadrant, in the first episode they all get stuck in a "Bride of Chaotica" program. They have to keep advancing the plot each week and their characters must stay alive in order to survive in reality. Lt. Calavicci, played by Dean Stockwell, would appear from time to time as the Federation holodeck specialist on the outside who is trying to help them advance the plot while his team is working on a way to get them out of there. He would be able to appear for a few moments at a time as a hologram before he has to disappear.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Instead of getting stranded in the Delta Quadrant, in the first episode they all get stuck in a "Bride of Chaotica" program. They have to keep advancing the plot each week and their characters must stay alive in order to survive in reality. Lt. Calavicci, played by Dean Stockwell, would appear from time to time as the Federation holodeck specialist on the outside who is trying to help them advance the plot while his team is working on a way to get them out of there. He would be able to appear for a few moments at a time as a hologram before he has to disappear.

It would be like a mix of "Projections", "Worst case scenario" and of course "Bride of Chaotica".

...to say nothing of Quantum Leap.

 

[Lance]

Instead of getting stranded in the Delta Quadrant, in the first episode they all get stuck in a "Bride of Chaotica" program. They have to keep advancing the plot each week and their characters must stay alive in order to survive in reality. Lt. Calavicci, played by Dean Stockwell, would appear from time to time as the Federation holodeck specialist on the outside who is trying to help them advance the plot while his team is working on a way to get them out of there. He would be able to appear for a few moments at a time as a hologram before he has to disappear.

I think we've got a winner, here. I'd watch it.

 

[Lynx]

According to the book "Mosaic", written by Jeri Taylor, Janeway met Riker at Starfleet Academy. Tyey were obviously at the same age. In that case, Janeway was born in 2335.
According to the book "Star Trek Chronology", written byMichael Okuda and Denise Okuda, both Riker and Chakotay was born in 2335.

True. Given Riker's canonical age is well known, then *if* they were really Freshmen and Sophomore together it would seem to imply that Janeway is, roughly, the same age as Mulgrew.

(Intriguingly, Jonathan Frakes is three years older than Kate Mulgrew.)

I say "if" because, although there is a lot of good material in "Mosaic", some of that stuff flatly contradicts the logic of the TV show. Riker and Kathryn being contemporaries is unfortunately one of them. Riker doesn't recognise her as 'Kate from the Academy' when he meets her in "Death Wish", he merely knows her by repute as the captain of Voyager, the ship that went missing in the badlands. For her part, Janeway admits something of a hero worship (or a crush?) on Will, but doesn't indicate she's actually met him before either.

Interesting article on the whole mess:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/archive/TAmosaic-janeway.html

I'd love to have considered "Mosaic" as a starting point, but I must admit some frustration that Janeway is the only captain for whom we never got a canonical year of birth (although ironically, she was supplied with a canonical date of birth, May 20).

Great article you referred to.

To be honest, I've noticed some of the contradictions in the book earlier but the article gave me an even better perspective on everything. And mess is the right word for it.

I used "Mosaic" as reference in this case because it's the only source I could find for determining Janeway's age. Unfortunately, the book is full of contradictions. I like the book and the story but I think that Taylor has messed up Janeway's personality. In the book we find a very unsecure woman with a strange father complex (Daddy don't like me as much as my sister! Baahhhhh!) If that what Janeway was in her younger years, then a remarcable change must have taken place between her father's death and her taking command of Voyager. We can also see in "Pathways" that Taylor has a strange fascination for father complexes and family relations, something that actually ruibns both B'Elanna's story and Tom's story in that book.

Anyway, the most logical thing to go for, as I see it, is to consider the actors real ages as a startpoint in this case. So maybe we should consider the fact that Janeway is born 20th may 2358.

 

[Lynx]

According to the book "Mosaic, written by Jeri Taylor, Janeway met Riker at Starfleet Academy. Tyey were obviously at the same age. In that case, Janeway was born in 2335.
According to the book "Star Trek Chronology", written byMichael Okuda and Denise Okuda, both Riker and Chakotay was born in 2335.

As for Tom's accident, according to the book "Pathways", written by Jeri Taylor, three cadets were killed in the accident. On the countrary to Nic Locarno's accident, where the cadets were trying to do a "Kolvoord Starbust", Paris's group of cadets were targeting-shooting at asteroids, Paris made a too-advanced dive which the other cadets couldn't habdle which resulted in two cadets who were trying to follow Tom's moves crashed into the asteroid and the third was caught up in the explosion.

As for the Paris-Locarno mystery, my personal theory is that Nick Locarno was a result of old Owen Paris having an afair with a lady other than his wife. Owen kept quiet about it but supported Locarno so he could go into the academy. There, Locarno messed it up and was kicked out but Owen Paris managed to cover the tracks so that no connection between him and Nick Locarno could be traced. However, Tom found out about it, therefore his dislike and loathe to his father.

As for Nick Locarno himself, according to the novella "Revenant", he was assimilated by the Borg in 2380 (see Memory Beta for further information)

Does that explain why he keeps a picture of Nick Locarno in his cadet uniform on his desk?

Yes! Obviously, Tom saw that picture, realized that he wasn't the guy on the picture, started some investigations about it and found out the truth.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

According to the book "Mosaic, written by Jeri Taylor, Janeway met Riker at Starfleet Academy. Tyey were obviously at the same age. In that case, Janeway was born in 2335.
According to the book "Star Trek Chronology", written byMichael Okuda and Denise Okuda, both Riker and Chakotay was born in 2335.

As for Tom's accident, according to the book "Pathways", written by Jeri Taylor, three cadets were killed in the accident. On the countrary to Nic Locarno's accident, where the cadets were trying to do a "Kolvoord Starbust", Paris's group of cadets were targeting-shooting at asteroids, Paris made a too-advanced dive which the other cadets couldn't habdle which resulted in two cadets who were trying to follow Tom's moves crashed into the asteroid and the third was caught up in the explosion.

As for the Paris-Locarno mystery, my personal theory is that Nick Locarno was a result of old Owen Paris having an afair with a lady other than his wife. Owen kept quiet about it but supported Locarno so he could go into the academy. There, Locarno messed it up and was kicked out but Owen Paris managed to cover the tracks so that no connection between him and Nick Locarno could be traced. However, Tom found out about it, therefore his dislike and loathe to his father.

As for Nick Locarno himself, according to the novella "Revenant", he was assimilated by the Borg in 2380 (see Memory Beta for further information)

Does that explain why he keeps a picture of Nick Locarno in his cadet uniform on his desk?

Yes! Obviously, Tom saw that picture, realized that he wasn't the guy on the picture, started some investigations about it and found out the truth.

Maybe the admiral is not that eager to get his son back then...

 

[fireproof78]

Admiral Paris

"What!? They found Voyager? Son of...I mean, hooray..."

*mutters something about can't trust anyone*

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Admiral Paris

"What!? They found Voyager? Son of...I mean, hooray..."

*mutters something about can't trust anyone*

 

[Lynx]

Or maybe:

COMMANDER KLENMAN: Admiral, they've found Voyager!
ADIRAL PARIS: What? Are they OK? Is Kathryn, I mean captain Janeway OK?
COMMANDER: Yes she is! And Tom is OK too!!
ADMIRAL PARIS: Hmm, yes. Thanks! Dismissed!
COMMANDER: Yes sir! (Commander. Klenman leaves the office)
ADMIRAL PARIS: Oh s**t! Even now he dissapoints me.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Or maybe:

COMMANDER KLENMAN: Admiral, they've found Voyager!
ADIRAL PARIS: What? Are they OK? Is Kathryn, I mean captain Janeway OK?
COMMANDER: Yes she is! And Tom is OK too!!
ADMIRAL PARIS: Hmm, yes. Thanks! Dismissed!
COMMANDER: Yes sir! (Commander. Klenman leaves the office)
ADMIRAL PARIS: Oh s**t! Even now he dissapoints me.

One hell of a family reunion, there!

 

[Catarina]

re: janeway's age. I've seen screen shots of her medical files that state 2344 as we've said and another year. damn, wish I could find it. I think it's safe to say they rushed, didn't care, and underestimated nerds who have attention to detail who in the future will have HD and screen capture

 

[Guy Gardener]

Try looking in the Killing Game.

 

[Catarina]

guy wasn't that the 2344?