That's where the Okudagram is, yes.
Re-doing Voyager
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Kate said Admiral Janeway was 76 in an interview she did. some guy did math that makes it now 2328. So we have 2328, 2331-32, and 2344. which btw, I squinted to read that KG okudagram and it says June. Yeah, they don't know nor care. Why bother making a history on these medical files? Okuda could have just tyoed a blog of his thoughts , "The crew is screwed. Lost in episodic reset button hell with a prediction of returning to earth. Rick Berman sucks.". it's barely legible anyway.
An Okudagram, or something similar, was accidentally seen on camera in In a Mirror Darkly, that wasn't supposed to have been seen, that detailed Archer's life after Enterprise until his death?
Tuvok was 109 in season 3 and then 3 years later, we hear Jabeway say that he was almost a hundred!
Vulcan skin cream really works wonders.
Not only that but they seem to get younger as time goes by.
While looking at this thread the other night I started to wonder what if they made Janeway a lt commander (maybe specialising in the sciences) who becomes captain after loosing the original plus the XO but make Chakotay a bit older but also a former full commander who has many logged years of command experience before leaving to join the Marquee.
This could cause some interesting dynamics as the most qualified person to run the ship would Chakotay against the inexperienced one who is in command due to the normal line of succession and the dealing with the fact that the XO is more qualified than she is.
This could then (eventually) lead to a bit of a mentor type role and Janeway growing into the captains position. Though I am not sure if you would have to re-cast Janeway so she is a little younger?
This could cause some interesting dynamics as the most qualified person to run the ship would Chakotay against the inexperienced one who is in command due to the normal line of succession and the dealing with the fact that the XO is more qualified than she is.
This could then (eventually) lead to a bit of a mentor type role and Janeway growing into the captains position. Though I am not sure if you would have to re-cast Janeway so she is a little younger?
That's ok they made Jennifer Lien play a one year old.
Picking up where I left off...
Neelix helps them in exchange for them helping him rescue an Ocampan friend of his and his daughter, Kes. They’re being held at makeshift detention center run by alien Raiders known as the Kazon who use Ocampa as a Supply Depot world since they also can get by the shield and know how to hide behind it. The Kazon have an Interstellar Protection Racket going on where they protect worlds and allow interplanetary commerce/transportation in space they control in exchange for Tribute. They’re collecting Ocampans as part of their Tribute to sell off as Slaves to other worlds.
Kes (a little girl) and her father explain they live in underground cities that the Caretaker made for them and that for as long as the Ocampa can remember he protected them. But in the last few decades he’s become weaker which allowed the Kazon to come to their world. He used to just send the people he’d bring back home but sometimes he can’t and they come to stay on Ocampa until they either leave or are killed by the Kazon.
They find their crew-mates, affected by the Caretaker’s experiments, but the Voyager XO dies battling the Kazon as they try to escape back to the Array. Before he dies he formally passes command to Janeway as the Fleeter’s new CO.
The Caretaker explains his story of how he and his wife were explorers who came to this area of space 2000 years ago and how they began studying the native life, accidentally destroying the Ocampa’s world. He stayed to care for them while she left for other scientific pursuits, and soon after a horrible cataclysm occurred that left him and the Ocampa essentially isolated; He never heard from his mate again and has been alone all this time.
He’s been dying from a disease for the last century and has been pulling various aliens to the Array for him to try and formulate a cure from, but it’s too late. He reveals that it was his own power boosted by the Array that brought them there, but he’s too weak to send them home. He’s programmed an AI into the Array to keep it working and protecting the Ocampa once he dies, but he was rushed and it’s imperfect.
As he dies, the Kazon attack to capture his Array but the AI activates and immediately fights them off. But it’s incompleteness means it doesn’t recognized Voyager as a non-hostile and targets them as well. The combine crew evacuate onto the ship and land it on the Ocampa world in low power mode until they can find a way to get by the Array’s weaponry.
Neelix helps them in exchange for them helping him rescue an Ocampan friend of his and his daughter, Kes. They’re being held at makeshift detention center run by alien Raiders known as the Kazon who use Ocampa as a Supply Depot world since they also can get by the shield and know how to hide behind it. The Kazon have an Interstellar Protection Racket going on where they protect worlds and allow interplanetary commerce/transportation in space they control in exchange for Tribute. They’re collecting Ocampans as part of their Tribute to sell off as Slaves to other worlds.
Kes (a little girl) and her father explain they live in underground cities that the Caretaker made for them and that for as long as the Ocampa can remember he protected them. But in the last few decades he’s become weaker which allowed the Kazon to come to their world. He used to just send the people he’d bring back home but sometimes he can’t and they come to stay on Ocampa until they either leave or are killed by the Kazon.
They find their crew-mates, affected by the Caretaker’s experiments, but the Voyager XO dies battling the Kazon as they try to escape back to the Array. Before he dies he formally passes command to Janeway as the Fleeter’s new CO.
The Caretaker explains his story of how he and his wife were explorers who came to this area of space 2000 years ago and how they began studying the native life, accidentally destroying the Ocampa’s world. He stayed to care for them while she left for other scientific pursuits, and soon after a horrible cataclysm occurred that left him and the Ocampa essentially isolated; He never heard from his mate again and has been alone all this time.
He’s been dying from a disease for the last century and has been pulling various aliens to the Array for him to try and formulate a cure from, but it’s too late. He reveals that it was his own power boosted by the Array that brought them there, but he’s too weak to send them home. He’s programmed an AI into the Array to keep it working and protecting the Ocampa once he dies, but he was rushed and it’s imperfect.
As he dies, the Kazon attack to capture his Array but the AI activates and immediately fights them off. But it’s incompleteness means it doesn’t recognized Voyager as a non-hostile and targets them as well. The combine crew evacuate onto the ship and land it on the Ocampa world in low power mode until they can find a way to get by the Array’s weaponry.
Given how spread out they are throughout the quadrant and the vastness of their territory, I believe they should have encountered the borg much earlier than they did.
The Borg avoid all Humans.
Sometimes they have a plan and are willing to risk engagement, but it's still never worked out right for them.
There had to have been an exclusion zone around Voyager until Voyager crossed into Borgspace.
What Voyager should have been encountering were other Borg Proof species that had held the line rather than just ran.
Sometimes they have a plan and are willing to risk engagement, but it's still never worked out right for them.
There had to have been an exclusion zone around Voyager until Voyager crossed into Borgspace.
What Voyager should have been encountering were other Borg Proof species that had held the line rather than just ran.
I don't like to believe that the Borg carve out territory. Even with a group leader like the Queen Bee, I still like to imagine that the Borg see all space as being "Borg Space". They don't give a f*** if Romulans, Federation, Vidians, Kazon, Klingons, Cardies etc have already 'claimed' it. Those people will be assimilated.
It's one of the many ways in which I feel Voyager unfortunately 'conventionalised' the Borg concept, by making them this species that has clearly defined areas of the map in which they inhabit, and Janeway being able to declare definitively "We're Now Entering Borg Space".
The Borg should've been a threat from day one. They should've been lurking around every corner. The whole of the Delta Quadrant is "Borg Space", not just the bits litered with their transwarp conduits.
It's one of the many ways in which I feel Voyager unfortunately 'conventionalised' the Borg concept, by making them this species that has clearly defined areas of the map in which they inhabit, and Janeway being able to declare definitively "We're Now Entering Borg Space".
The Borg should've been a threat from day one. They should've been lurking around every corner. The whole of the Delta Quadrant is "Borg Space", not just the bits litered with their transwarp conduits.
I like the notion from Voyager that the Borg chose not to assimilate inferior species.
You're right if there's one thing that we know for sure about the borg, it's that they don't play by anybody's rules but their own. They don't give a damn about boundaries.
I wonder what she means by "inferior" given that she said that they practically assimilated cavemen at times.(cf. The Omega Directive).
I always had the impression that Voyager "entering Borg Space" was not meant literally, as in: this is the area the Borg claim sovereignty over.
Rather I think it meant the space where the Borg had already assimilated all there was to assimilate, space that was only inhabited by Borg drones.
Of course that opens the question what exactly the Borg do with a species/world once they have assimilated it... What do the Borg when they aren't subjugating others?
I can only picture them simply moving on to the next target.
It would have been interesting if Voyager had entered the inner reaches of "Borg Space" only to find it filled with nothing but hundreds of abandoned, strip-mined worlds and drifting pieces of derelict Borg cubes... All the Borg are at the frontline, none at home.
Rather I think it meant the space where the Borg had already assimilated all there was to assimilate, space that was only inhabited by Borg drones.
Of course that opens the question what exactly the Borg do with a species/world once they have assimilated it... What do the Borg when they aren't subjugating others?
I can only picture them simply moving on to the next target.
It would have been interesting if Voyager had entered the inner reaches of "Borg Space" only to find it filled with nothing but hundreds of abandoned, strip-mined worlds and drifting pieces of derelict Borg cubes... All the Borg are at the frontline, none at home.
In First Contact the borg inhabit Earth centuries after having assimilated its population. I would guess that that is their MO.
