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NFL 2014-2015 Season Discussion

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Just a few notes on Peyton's possible retirement.

He is 2nd on the Career passing yards list (about 2,200 yards behind Farve)

3rd on the Career passer rating list

2nd on the Career passes completed list (about 350 behind Farve)

2nd on the Career passes attempted list (about 1,000 behind Farve)

If he can get healthy in the offseason, I see him coming back and trying to get into the number 1 spot on a few of those "big" records and Denver would welcome him with open arms.
 
Loving all the noise around the Baltimore/Pats game. Turned a great game into the Ravens just whining over sour grapes, lowered my opinion of the coach quite a bit. Just rote repeating of any time the Pats beat you, they must have cheated, which brought out all the spygate references again, which were stale before. And as this progresses, not a single person took Baltimore's side with this being illegal, or cheating, or even just mean/rude. Turned out it had been done (similar, at least) in like week 6 this year, which is what gave the pats the idea, they notified the Ref, Ref notified the Ravens and announced over the PA. Baltimore just got embarrassed that they couldn't figure it out, so are whining about cheating instead. And they let it go on 3 plays before he took the penalty. if he could have figured out what was happening, could have called time out and sorted it out, instead he waited several plays and then took a penalty instead. Nice job!
 
I don't know. He's not the worst coach out there but I don't think he was really elevating the Broncos (that was Manning). Couldn't hurt to talk to him, I guess.

Kinda the same deal when all the rumors were talking about Mike Shanahan. His record was great with Elway as QB, not so much the rest of the time.

But "reuniting him with Cutler" was all some sportswriters could regurgitate.

The Bears should avoid (like the plague) picking any HC with the idea he could "fix Cutler". If Cutler can't sort out his bad decision-making on his own, it'll never happen.
 
What's interesting to me is that Rodgers fought to a win through an injury that limited and frustrated him, whereas Manning did not.

Rodgers was battling a calf strain. Manning spent the last month and change playing on a torn quad.

Minor difference there.

Well, I think Rodgers had a torn calf (a fresh injury, which would be worse) whereas Maning had a strained quad. In any event, it's all bad, but it severely restricted the mobility of Rodgers. Manning is not mobile, so I would think the effect on him would be less. And he was consistently overthrowing guys. It also seemed like he went into desperation mode earlier than he should have. In the end, I think he's declined since 2009 noticeably with 2013 being the one exception (which was when Welker joined Denver). And of course we know what Seattle did to them in that S.B., the first blowout in years. I just think that unless Manning has a dominant running game, he's done.
 
Dez Bryant...worst call ever???

Clearly both with the letter of the rule and interpretation, it was the wrong call. Maintaining possession throughout the motion of the catch was clearly accomplished and is visible on the replay. After gaining Complete two-handed possession of the ball with both feet down, turned and lunged for the end zone, a second motion. He had full possession in his hand to the ground and the ground caused the ball to come out. Completed catch.

I'm far from a conspiracy guy...but i think the conspiracy lasted all of a few minutes..in order to make up for perceived Cowboys favoritism.

RAMA
 
I agree here as well. The NFL is killing itself with too many bullshit rules that must have the officials heads spinning.
Not really
I'm not Cowboy fan and even less of a fan of Dez, but if that's not a catch then either this interpretation of the rule is wrong, the application of the appropriate rule is wrong, or the fucking rule is wrong.
No, no (though I may be missing the subtlety on why those are two different things), and maybe.
He elevated, caught the ball with both hands, planted both feet and took a third step to the end zone.
Elevated, grabbed the ball with both hands, lost control briefly in the air. He regains control either while his first foot is on the ground, or just after he lifts it up. In slow motion I'd say he doesn't get control until he uses his right hand to stabilize it after his foot has already left the ground. It's debatable though, I only mention it because people are obsessed with this 3 steps and a lunge narrative, which is hardly airtight even if it were relevant to the situation.

At that point he is clearly off balance, his next foot lands, he continues tipping over, and he takes his right hand off the ball to break his fall. His third 'step' he's completely off balance and has no chance to remain upright. The ball hits the ground in his left hand and he loses control again, as he rolls over the ball bounces up in the air without him even touching it and then he snags it for a third time.

If anything, the review should/could have givenen him the TD. The ball DID break the plain.
Well, he definitely didn't break the plane before he would have been down by contact. If you can't get even get that simple part of it right, I don't know what to tell you.

Ask yourself this, if he wasn't going to the ground while catching the ball, why didn't he simply jog into the end zone? There was one defender that fell off to the side, there was nothing to dive past, there was no reason to lunge unless he was already going to the ground.

And why doesn't Dez understand the going to the ground rule? It's not particularly new, he's been in the league a while. Where's the coaching? If he indeed try to stretch the ball out, doesn't he know that's risky? His priority should have been to hold onto the ball, he was damn close, but what he did wasn't good enough.
 
Yoda,

Your reply makes my point.

Two folks can look at the same play and the rules are so fraked up two different reasonable conclusions can be made.

That means the rules are fraked up.
 
Dez Bryant...worst call ever???
Nope. The "Tuck Rule" call against the Raiders was worse. The rule was more obscure anand it was called in a bigger game -- the AFC Championship.

But I will say this, NFL officials should learn from NBA officials who, even though they get criticized for it, consider putting their whistles away more often in playoff games. Let the players decide the game, not the refs' oh so precise interpretations of obscure rules.

However, Karma, Dallas fans. :)
 
Eh. Perfect CALL, just kinda a shitty RULE. At least get that right. Has since been removed as a rule because it's kinda dumb, but it was exactly the right call at the time. Wasn't the first time it was called, either. It had been called AGAINST the Patriots 5 or 6 games earlier in that same season. But don't let that wreck your narrative ;)
 
49ers have promoted Jim Tomsula to fill their head coach vacancy; accordingly, Vic Fangio has told them to fuck off and is now looking for other employment (please come to Chicago, Vic).

This is incredible. They fire arguably the second-best coach in professional football and replace him with the lone holdover from Mike Singletary's staff. Way to go, York. :lol:
 
^The 49ers are on their back to being the most dysfunctional team in the NFL; it was only a few years ago that ESPN did a piece about how significantly the culture in SF had changed (for the worse). Harbaugh turned things around, but it looks like everything he tried to build is going to be torn down.

--Sran
 
When I saw the 49ers hire on the ticker yesterday afternoon, I thought "Jim-- who? So you're replacing Harbaugh with him?" Well, there have been surprises before, but with stuff like "popular with the players" being floated around, I'd say that hire has decline written all over it.

I thought Shanny had a good shot to get that job, but his history lately has been big promises, no results with locker room drama and communication and personnel issues.

Unrelated, my opinion on the Dez Bryant call was that the ball hit the ground as he was going down and was jarred loose, so it was incomplete. It's consistent with the letter-of-the-law means by which they have been interpreting that in the past decade or so. The insistence on "a football move" to establish possession is a little too subjective to me, though. I think that needs to be tightened up a bit. In the old days, they would carelessly call fumbles before possession was really established, so that's why we're where we are with that rule. I do think an argument could be made, though, that reaching for the goal line was "a football move." But again, you need an attorney to parse a lot of these rules, which I think makes it all too convoluted.
 
When I saw the 49ers hire on the ticker yesterday afternoon, I thought "Jim-- who? So you're replacing Harbaugh with him?" Well, there have been surprises before, but with stuff like "popular with the players" being floated around, I'd say that hire has decline written all over it.

Jed York wanted a yes-man, basically. It's similar to the situation in Chicago, where the GM position was basically Chris Ballard's if he wanted it, and in his interview he told Ted Phillips that he sucked shit and if hired his first order of business would be to reduce Phillips' influence over the football operations -- so then Ryan Pace came in, sweet-talked Phillips and George McCaskey, and he got the job over Ballard.
 
Bears really should have just grabbed Rex. Bears family roots. Reputation as a top defensive guy. Great entertainment value. Eats lots of pizza. A no-brainer really.
 
Bears really should have just grabbed Rex. Bears family roots. Reputation as a top defensive guy. Great entertainment value. Eats lots of pizza. A no-brainer really.

Yeah, the team's decision not to even ask him for an interview boggled my mind. The problems on the defense are largely coaching, not talent (outside of Shea McClellin and Chris Conte, who can just get fucked), and he could have really done something great with it.

Instead they're going to wind up with John Fox, who is just the most boring and uninspiring choice ever.
 
Bears really should have just grabbed Rex. Bears family roots. Reputation as a top defensive guy. Great entertainment value. Eats lots of pizza. A no-brainer really.

Bears really should have just grabbed Rex. Bears family roots. Reputation as a top defensive guy. Great entertainment value. Eats lots of pizza. A no-brainer really.

Yeah, the team's decision not to even ask him for an interview boggled my mind. The problems on the defense are largely coaching, not talent (outside of Shea McClellin and Chris Conte, who can just get fucked), and he could have really done something great with it.

Instead they're going to wind up with John Fox, who is just the most boring and uninspiring choice ever.

At least Fox has won before, though I agree that Ryan would have been a better choice. I will never understand why certain owners will only hire someone who won't question their decisions or someone who's willing to work cheap. The Bears have never made an effort to hire a big name--and the 49ers are apparently content with finishing 6-10 as long as they can save a buck.

--Sran
 
Eh. Perfect CALL, just kinda a shitty RULE. At least get that right. Has since been removed as a rule because it's kinda dumb, but it was exactly the right call at the time. Wasn't the first time it was called, either. It had been called AGAINST the Patriots 5 or 6 games earlier in that same season. But don't let that wreck your narrative ;)
It doesn't, especially since I didn't say that the Raiders were the first team to ever have that call go against them.

But, as I wrote, it's one thing to make that kind of call in a regular season game and another thing entirely to make it in a championship game. The call was legitimate and within the rules, I just don't think that type of call should get made in a game as important as the AFC championship.

You should also understand that my point has nothing to do with the possible effect of that call on the Raiders at the time. Although it doesn't surprise me in the least that this is what you zeroed in on. ;)
 
It doesn't, especially since I didn't say that the Raiders were the first team to ever have that call go against them.
You implied they pulled that rule out of some dusty back room, just pointing out that they had called it previously that season. Perhaps partly why it was on the minds of the playoff refs when they saw it again. Again, dumb rule, but a couple refs had it in their heads that year, so it came up. And since it was correct per the rules, and applied correctly, not sure what the beef is.

Furthermore, it wasn't called in the heat of the moment. A fumble was the ruling on the field. Tuck rule was the result of them having more time to review it, slow it down, look at angles, etc. So you could argue that they WERE going to swallow the whistle on that play (so to speak), but once you started the challenge process, they had to call it per the rulebook, and tuck rule was the result.

But, as I wrote, it's one thing to make that kind of call in a regular season game and another thing entirely to make it in a championship game. The call was legitimate and within the rules, I just don't think that type of call should get made in a game as important as the AFC championship.
This part I see a lot, and hate it. It's the same game, with the same rules. Don't suddenly play by "playoff football" rulebook instead of the regular season one. Or if you're going to do so, tell everyone what the differences will be. Hate when things that are illegal all day at the beginning of the season (or even beginning of a game) are suddenly allowable in the playoffs, or in the final couple minutes of a game. Call it consistently. Don't look for tick-tack fouls, but don't suddenly allow crazy holding or pass interference because it's the last 2 minutes of a game and you're "letting them play".

And again, they didn't make the Tuck rule call originally. The challenge forced them to look again, in slo-mo, and when you do that, kinda have to make the call from the rule book.

You should also understand that my point has nothing to do with the possible effect of that call on the Raiders at the time. Although it doesn't surprise me in the least that this is what you zeroed in on. ;)
Your post was like 2 sentences, wouldn't say I zeroed in on anything. You said it was one of the worst calls ever, I just pointed out that it was exactly in line with the rule book at the time. It wasn't even the game-winner, so the Raiders need to look at themselves if they want to figure out the problem. That the franchise went completely into the toilet and became a dumpster fire after is on them, not Brady. They've had more than a decade to man up and get over it.
 
This part I see a lot, and hate it. It's the same game, with the same rules. Don't suddenly play by "playoff football" rulebook instead of the regular season one.
Sort of related, but I hate when people say stuff "it's the playoffs, there's no tomorrow, you got to go for it on fourth down here!" as if somehow punting would work better in the regular season or something. Ties in the NFL are a negligible factor, it's not soccer. If something gives you the best chances of winning in the playoffs, it gives you the best chance of winning in the regular season as well.
 
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