Re-doing Voyager

[Kobayshi Maru]

That's unlikely, if anything there'll be even more attached to their idiosyncrasies.

No one can predict what will happen to Native American culture 400 years from now.

It would be odd for a Mexican tribal tradition (such as the Rubber People Chakotay supposedly descended from) and more northern traditions to blend in such a way, when many of tribes today still maintain identify (at least in the US. In the area I live, there are about 20 identified tribal affiliations).

Not saying impossible, but I find it skeptical. This would be similar to saying that all Europeans wore kilts, ate pasta dishes and enjoyed the running of the bulls as part of their traditions. Perhaps not stereotyping but certainly ignorant.

I think the holodeck would be nice filler if I felt like it gave insight in to the characters more, and that those details mattered. I think Tom's interests were the main ones that stuck, but the others all seemed like passing flights of fancy or felt out of place.

I think they can be used, but sparingly. Like anything else, in moderation

Most Europeans have assimilated into the common capitalistic worldwide culture, in that respect they are almost indistinguishable from the Americans. Only a minuscule minority still cling to traditions and its mostly to attract tourists.

 

[fireproof78]

No one can predict what will happen to Native American culture 400 years from now.

It would be odd for a Mexican tribal tradition (such as the Rubber People Chakotay supposedly descended from) and more northern traditions to blend in such a way, when many of tribes today still maintain identify (at least in the US. In the area I live, there are about 20 identified tribal affiliations).

Not saying impossible, but I find it skeptical. This would be similar to saying that all Europeans wore kilts, ate pasta dishes and enjoyed the running of the bulls as part of their traditions. Perhaps not stereotyping but certainly ignorant.

I think the holodeck would be nice filler if I felt like it gave insight in to the characters more, and that those details mattered. I think Tom's interests were the main ones that stuck, but the others all seemed like passing flights of fancy or felt out of place.

I think they can be used, but sparingly. Like anything else, in moderation

Most Europeans have assimilated into the common capitalistic worldwide culture, in that respect they are almost indistinguishable from the Americans. Only a minuscule minority still cling to traditions and its mostly to attract tourists.

And, like I said, not impossible, but the traditions I listed can still be readily identified as being from a specific nation.

It may not be a big deal, and it probably has been overblown. But that doesn't change the fact that it was insensitive and ignorant, at best.

I guess it bothers me because it would take just minor tweaks, just minor ones, to make the character's backstory more consistent and respectful. Just a little bit.

 

[Makarov]

As for Seven, they explicitly said that they wanted a borg babe. You don't buy an expensive piece of art and then stick it in a drawer, do you? You showcase it for everyone to see: Especially if you want it to pay for itself.

Lets just say I prefer a certain... formality on the bridge. And get that fish out of the ready room!

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

As for Seven, they explicitly said that they wanted a borg babe. You don't buy an expensive piece of art and then stick it in a drawer, do you? You showcase it for everyone to see: Especially if you want it to pay for itself.

Lets just say I prefer a certain... formality on the bridge. And get that fish out of the ready room!

Actually, I kinda liked Jellico, plus any captain that can see riker as the poor excuse for a first officer that he is, can't be all bad.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Let me take a crack at some changes:

• Voyager is a new, but smaller, research vessel, with a standard crew of eighty, but can be expanded to carry 150. It is well shielded, but lightly armed. Built for deep space missions, it is capable of travelling at near warp 9 for extended periods, but generally can't do much better.
• Commander Janeway is the CO of Voyager, a microbiologist by education who joined Starfleet later than most. The daughter of ambassadors, she has some sense of diplomacy, but sometimes misses the finer points. In general, she is fiercely dedicated to preserving individual righs and justice.
• Tuvok is a non-Starfleet intelligence agent, assigned to infiltrate the Maquis. He has no relationship with Janeway. However, he had been in Starfleet as a security officer, achieving only the rank of lieutenant. He is secretive about any family he might have.
• The EMH is still a new piece of holographic technology, but able to manifest five copies of itself, capable of working independently when emergencies arise.
• MIchael Eddington is a former Starfleet officer, who helped supply arms to the Maquis and attacks shipping going to Cardassia.
• B'lanna Torres is a half Native American,half-Klingon who was raised on Dorvan V.
• Tom Paris and Harry Kim are not tools. They are both new SF graduates who believe that their mission will purely involve research.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Let me take a crack at some changes:

• Voyager is a new, but smaller, research vessel, with a standard crew of eighty, but can be expanded to carry 150. It is well shielded, but lightly armed. Built for deep space missions, it is capable of travelling at near warp 9 for extended periods, but generally can't do much better.
• Commander Janeway is the CO of Voyager, a microbiologist by education who joined Starfleet later than most. The daughter of ambassadors, she has some sense of diplomacy, but sometimes misses the finer points. In general, she is fiercely dedicated to preserving individual righs and justice.
• Tuvok is a non-Starfleet intelligence agent, assigned to infiltrate the Maquis. He has no relationship with Janeway. However, he had been in Starfleet as a security officer, achieving only the rank of lieutenant. He is secretive about any family he might have.
• The EMH is still a new piece of holographic technology, but able to manifest five copies of itself, capable of working independently when emergencies arise.
• MIchael Eddington is a former Starfleet officer, who helped supply arms to the Maquis and attacks shipping going to Cardassia.
• B'lanna Torres is a half Native American,half-Klingon who was raised on Dorvan V.
• Tom Paris and Harry Kim are not tools. They are both new SF graduates who believe that their mission will purely involve research.

Last time we saw him, Wesley Crusher was on Dorvan V sniffing stuff in a Native American steam room...

Does B'Lanna know of him?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Let me take a crack at some changes:

• Voyager is a new, but smaller, research vessel, with a standard crew of eighty, but can be expanded to carry 150. It is well shielded, but lightly armed. Built for deep space missions, it is capable of travelling at near warp 9 for extended periods, but generally can't do much better.
• Commander Janeway is the CO of Voyager, a microbiologist by education who joined Starfleet later than most. The daughter of ambassadors, she has some sense of diplomacy, but sometimes misses the finer points. In general, she is fiercely dedicated to preserving individual righs and justice.
• Tuvok is a non-Starfleet intelligence agent, assigned to infiltrate the Maquis. He has no relationship with Janeway. However, he had been in Starfleet as a security officer, achieving only the rank of lieutenant. He is secretive about any family he might have.
• The EMH is still a new piece of holographic technology, but able to manifest five copies of itself, capable of working independently when emergencies arise.
• MIchael Eddington is a former Starfleet officer, who helped supply arms to the Maquis and attacks shipping going to Cardassia.
• B'lanna Torres is a half Native American,half-Klingon who was raised on Dorvan V.
• Tom Paris and Harry Kim are not tools. They are both new SF graduates who believe that their mission will purely involve research.

Last time we saw him, Wesley Crusher was on Dorvan V sniffing stuff in a Native American steam room...

Does B'Lanna know of him?

What if I said her bat'leth knew him (this B'lanne isn't funny about being half-Klingon)?

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Well, that's OK then since Wesley isn't funny either.

 

[Lynx]

A lot of suggestions for changes of the characters in this thread.

Personally I wouldn't change much about the characters. I'm actually happy with them as they are. As I see it, they are the best characters in any Star Trek series.

The few changes I would make are:

I would give Chakotay a real tribe and re-write "Tattoo" as I mentioned in an earlier post. No "sky spirits ancestors".

I would give Kes a human lifespan instead of that nine-year thing that didn't lead to anything. Since I fixed that in my story "Coming Home" which would replace "Fury", it would be no problem.

B'Elanna wouldn't be tamed so quickly. Therefore I would put in at least one episode between "Caretaker" and "Parallax" where she still should be something of a Maquis hothead, negative to be aon a Starfleet ship.

Harry would be more like he is in the books where he's actually doing something. However, I would avoid having him injured as much as he is in the books.

As for the other characters, I would keep them as they are.

 

[MacLeod]

I'm still liking my idea of Janeway being the XO and this is her first mission in that role, and have Chakotay a former Starfleet Captain of many years. Could make for some interesting character dynamics with Janewat as CO and Chakotay as her more experianced XO.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

A lot of suggestions for changes of the characters in this thread.

Personally I wouldn't change much about the characters. I'm actually happy with them as they are. As I see it, they are the best characters in any Star Trek series.

The few changes I would make are:

I would give Chakotay a real tribe and re-write "Tattoo" as I mentioned in an earlier post. No "sky spirits ancestors".

I would give Kes a human lifespan instead of that nine-year thing that didn't lead to anything. Since I fixed that in my story "Coming Home" which would replace "Fury", it would be no problem.

B'Elanna wouldn't be tamed so quickly. Therefore I would put in at least one episode between "Caretaker" and "Parallax" where she still should be something of a Maquis hothead, negative to be aon a Starfleet ship.

Harry would be more like he is in the books where he's actually doing something. However, I would avoid having him injured as much as he is in the books.

As for the other characters, I would keep them as they are.

I don't know why but I love that scene where Neelix roughs up Kim to take the Klingon woman off his hands...

 

[Orphalesion]

There is a difference between the character and the actor, sure you might or might not like the character but as an actor Robert Picardo was the best actor on the show (opinions might vary).

Sure at times the EMH could be annoying, but the same can be said of many characters. But in many respects he was the outsider character of the show. And yes at times the show did focus too much on him as well as Janeway and Seven.

Okay you spoke about the actor's ability. I assumed you were like this RL friend of mine who adores the Doctor and won't let anybody speak even a negative word about him. Sorry about that.

Please. How is Chakotay's "stereotypical" Native American characterization any different from Scotty's stereotypical Scotsman, or McCoy's stereotypical Southerner? Or Chekov's stereotypical Russian? Or any other stereotypical character in Trek history?

Methinks this is much ado about little.

You just described the reason why I don't like the TOS crew, most of them have national/regional stereotypes instead of personalities.

 

[Anwar]

As it is, the Caretaker is ill with some disease that’s killing him and he’s experimenting on various aliens he’s brought to his Array over the years to try and see if he can develop a cure for himself. He has groups of various Alpha Quadrant species there for his tests (Klingons, Ferengi, Romulans, Cardassians) with their ships “impounded” elsewhere.

He experiments on the lot of them; When they all wake up they find out he took Harry, Torres and the Voyager’s XO (now in command) somewhere, leaving 3rd Officer Janeway in charge (reluctantly).

Since she’s been trying to leave Starship duties behind she doesn’t have that much animosity towards the Maquis and figures getting their missing crewmembers back is the important matter (while members of her crew are still up for a fight with the Maquis rebels).

Unfortunately, she has trouble accessing the Higher Command Systems on Voyager since she’s not a proper Line Officer.

Chakotay reveals his identity as a retired Commodore to everyone present (this stuns most of the Maquis, since only his closest comrades knew who he was). Since Starfleet was unaware of his defection his own access hasn’t been revoked so he’s able to access the systems Janeway can’t, but he’s also willing to let her stay in charge (for now).

As Voyager is a larger (but outdated) Heavy Cruiser, they just park the Raider on it and travel as one ship to the Ocampa Homeworld since they’re detecting Warp Engine trails leading there (where the other Alien ships were deposited).

The planet has a shield around it to keep anything the Array recognizes as hostile away but they run into an Alien Soldier named Neelix (played by Ron Perlman) of a species known as Talaxian (they resemble Gargoyles) who claims to know how to get by the shield.

 

[The Overlord]

Not giving Harry a promotion, stuck the character in limbo and then why is he a main character? I why would I want to follow a character that goes no where?

No one cared that Spock and McCoy never got promoted in TOS, or that Geordi went from a Junior Lt to a Lt Commander entirely off-screen, or how Dax or Bashir or Worf never got promoted in DS9, etc.

As for Kim...well, like I said the cast was too big. If he'd been a secondary I doubt anyone would care much.

The real reason was because the writers disliked Garrett Wang for never taking his work seriously and never putting any effort in, they were going to kill him off before he won that "Most Handsome Guy" award so they wouldn't have to deal with him anymore.

None of the characters you mentioned were ensigns, its kinda weird having an ensign in staff meetings, why Kim over any other ensign? Is Harry Kim "king of the ensigns"? That's the problem, Harry Kim's low rank didn't sense in regards to the amount of power and responsibilities he was given (why was a junior grade lieutenant asking him for orders?)

Also the producers of Voyager were ones who hired Wang in the first place, so they bare some responsibility for his bad performance and if they didn't have the guts to fire Wang, even though it wasn't working out, just because he was in some article about "pretty people" then that reflects badly on them too.

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Why was Nog part of the senior staff on DS9 when he had just come back from the academy, with dozens of star fleet officers on the station that outranked him sometimes by much? I think it's a ST spinoff constant that rank matters much less than having your name appearing in the opening credits.

 

[MacLeod]

Was Nog ever part of the senior staff on DSN?, despite his rank I would hazard a guess that O'Brien was his immediate superior as Nog seemd to fill in more towards the Ops/Enginering side (and yes I know he was the nominal pilot of the Defiant)

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Was Nog ever part of the senior staff on DSN?, despite his rank I would hazard a guess that O'Brien was his immediate superior as Nog seemd to fill in more towards the Ops/Enginering side (and yes I know he was the nominal pilot of the Defiant)

Remember what O'Brien said to Bashir? "As soon as this kid graduates, I am gonna have to call him "Sir" "
(something to that effect, I am quoting from memory)

When did that rule change?

 

[STEPhon IT]

Mind numbing thread DRIFT. Why is Nog a part of ANY DISCUSSION in a VOYAGER thread, involving a VOYAGER topic???

 

[Kobayshi Maru]

Mind numbing thread DRIFT. Why is Nog a part of ANY DISCUSSION in a VOYAGER thread, involving a VOYAGER topic???

Why is that a problem?

 

[MacLeod]

I don't see it as a problem, don't we often compare what the sisters show did relative to each other.