Star Trek Continues, Episode 4...

[Danlav05]

I'll eat my proverbial hat if it's a crossover, but if it is, then I've been gravely mistaken - nay, deceived - about the ethos of STC.

Same here.

So far I've enjoyed each of the three productions even though if pressed I'd have to say "Lolani" is the episode (I feel) is most in keeping with TOS' approach to stories. While "Pilgrim Of Eternity" was a respectable followup I don't think it's a revisit TOS would have actually done. And "Fairest Of Them All," again while quite enjoyable, was a pure indulgence since it's highly unlikely TOS would have even considered doing something like it.

So while I'm appreciating STC I also feel they're walking a rather fine line that, so far, they haven't crossed yet. And, of course, I'm hoping they don't cross that line.

You may want to tell me to spack off for saying this but i think people can get too obsessed with 60s purism. That's why I like the other show, they are not afraid to acknowledge The Movies/TNG/Era.

The episodes are very good at capturing the feel of the 60s but there's nearly half a century of Star Trek following TOS. For continuity they should be acknowledged.

OK the movie/TNG era is my own so I would say that but fans can get very nitpicky. Maybe I say this because Continues, Exeter, Farragut, Ajax etc have all been based on the 60s show and I feel I like a change.

 

[Zaminhon]

I'll eat my proverbial hat if it's a crossover, but if it is, then I've been gravely mistaken - nay, deceived - about the ethos of STC.

Same here.

So far I've enjoyed each of the three productions even though if pressed I'd have to say "Lolani" is the episode (I feel) is most in keeping with TOS' approach to stories. While "Pilgrim Of Eternity" was a respectable followup I don't think it's a revisit TOS would have actually done. And "Fairest Of Them All," again while quite enjoyable, was a pure indulgence since it's highly unlikely TOS would have even considered doing something like it.

So while I'm appreciating STC I also feel they're walking a rather fine line that, so far, they haven't crossed yet. And, of course, I'm hoping they don't cross that line.

You may want to tell me to spack off for saying this but i think people can get too obsessed with 60s purism. That's why I like the other show, they are not afraid to acknowledge The Movies/TNG/Era.

The episodes are very good at capturing the feel of the 60s but there's nearly half a century of Star Trek following TOS. For continuity they should be acknowledged.

OK the movie/TNG era is my own so I would say that but fans can get very nitpicky. Maybe I say this because Continues, Exeter, Farragut, Ajax etc have all been based on the 60s show and I feel I like a change.

It really is a generational perspective. From someone who grew up with the original, and enjoys that type of storytelling, I personally hope that STC stays with its intended goal, to finish seasons 4 and 5 as authentically as possible. Although I enjoy TNG onward, the universe they created takes itself too seriously, and the movies became a parody of TOS (ST4)? A crossover would be a big departure from their stated goal, and I really hope they don't go there.

eta:

I think there's a reason that productions choose not to portray Picard and Co.. He's just not exciting .. philosophical yes, but fun... no. And by all means, X the Shakespeare, Gilbert and Sullivan, and all Holo-Adventures (used because the "real" universe outside the holodeck wasn't exciting enough.)

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

Oh yeah, Kirk rescues Ginger and Mary Ann, but leaves the rest.

Sorry to break it to him, but Mary Ann is one of "the rest."

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

It really is a generational perspective. From someone who grew up with the original, and enjoys that type of storytelling, I personally hope that STC stays with its intended goal, to finish seasons 4 and 5 as authentically as possible. Although I enjoy TNG onward, the universe they created takes itself too seriously, and the movies became a parody of TOS (ST4)? A crossover would be a big departure from their stated goal, and I really hope they don't go there.

Yes, the Sixties purism is not just an arbitrary fetish. It's integral to their stated purpose, to "complete the 5-year mission," to make the episodes that never got to be made between 1969 and 1971. They're time-traveling to revive the original series for those who love it.

 

[Warped9]

STC has already made small concessions to a more contemporay perspective, but nothing yet that has been a deal beaker. An actual croosover would be a huge one because it would really step outside their stated intent.

 

[Marsden]

I'm just hoping he is someone like Dr. Whipple and they call him Doctor once or twice and that's it. Then it can be a little joke for they people that know him but not actually change the story or take it out of Star Trek.

You can kind of say the same thing for "Lolani" because Lou Farrigno played Zaminhon and was painted green but at no time anyone said "hulk". (IIRC)

And I just want to add I thought that was great, giving Lou a chance to play a character and deliver his own lines. (He's often dubbed by another actor) I thought he was great, I really like that episode. It may have been "stunt casting" but he really added to the show.

You can even make the same argument about Erin Gray being Commodore Gray, they didn't call her Colonel or Wilma but she was there and was giving orders to a Captain. It didn't hurt the story and there was no wink nudge crap, she was very good as a commodore and I know a lot of people were happy to see her as a woman of command rank.

So, that's what I'm hoping for.

I hope this doesn't dampen any arguing, but it's really more of the same rather than a "new" thing. Any fan production that can have any professional actors involved must consider it a coup, rather than have it be just amateurs, no matter how good or dedicated.

 

[Warped9]

After three solid efforts the STC folks have earned some solid cred. The run up to "Fairest Of Them All" had more than a few fans, myself included, concerned they might stray and do something overly fannish and taint the magic they had attained so far. But they didn't miss a step. While "Fairest Of Them All" was an indulgence it was also done well and in no way impacted what was happening in the Prime universe.

So while the casting of Colin Baker is something of a shout out to Dr. Who fans I'm skeptical that STC will do an actual crossover given TOS wouldn't have done so. And STC has shown (as stated) that they want to retain that sense of authenticity in regard to TOS.

 

[doubleohfive]

Erin Gray was wonderful in "Lolani" but constantly returning to space phone calls with her sonKirk could ask her what he should do slowed things down there strotywise and was entirely out of character for Kirk. But thee than that, yeah she was a gem.

 

[Warped9]

Well...if you really must have a Dr. Who crossover...

 

[Kelso]

Most of the celebrity cameos could have been cut entirely. Did we need the computer to tell us that Apollo looked older? Or the class designation of the Andorian ships? For that matter, was it necessary for the navigator to give us the class designation of the Tellarite ship? Honestly, who gives a fuck?

I'm excited to see Colin Baker on the Enterprise, but I hope he has an actual role to play- as Messrs. Ferrigno and Forrest had.

 

[Warped9]

Most of the celebrity cameos could have been cut entirely. Did we need the computer to tell us that Apollo looked older? Or the class designation of the Andorian ships? For that matter, was it necessary for the navigator to give us the class designation of the Tellarite ship? Honestly, who gives a fuck?

I'm inclined to agree. Those bits were very NextGen style writing and not something TOS would have done.

In TOS we never heard reference to ship classes with few exceptions and they were quite minor at that.

- Class F shuttlecraft
- DY-100 class
- Class J cargo ship

 

[Zaminhon]

I don't think "Starfleet" or the "United Federation" was mentioned until late 1st season if not until the 2nd season. I believe Kirk referred to it as Space Command or something like that early on. (Something for Trek Trivia 101, I guess). Things do progress during the series, even toward referring to Star Ship classes etc. A universe with a solid foundation was being formed.

 

[doubleohfive]

There were occasional references to "Space Central" and of course the "United Earth Space Probe Agency" before the writers settled on Starfleet and the Federation.

 

[Zaminhon]

I was just happy to get my Constitution Class blue prints when they came out in the early 70's.

 

[doubleohfive]

One of the nicer retcons that Enterprise implemented was referring to both Starfleet and the UESPA in their background signage in various episodes:

 

[Timewalker]

Well...if you really must have a Dr. Who crossover...

A red-shirt Dalek should realize that sooner or later it will also be killed.

 

[Zaminhon]

I always considered the original Daleks to be automated plumbers and at some point they were reprogrammed and upgraded into invincible killing machines. They still have the literal plumber's helper, something that looks like a snake or spinner that can clean out drains pretty well. They'd do a fabulous job in the bathroom.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

I always considered the original Daleks to be automated plumbers and at some point they were reprogrammed and upgraded into invincible killing machines. They still have the literal plumber's helper, something that looks like a snake or spinner that can clean out drains pretty well. They'd do a fabulous job in the bathroom.

And in the kitchen. That thing is actually an egg whisk.

 

[doubleohfive]

I always considered the original Daleks to be automated plumbers and at some point they were reprogrammed and upgraded into invincible killing machines. They still have the literal plumber's helper, something that looks like a snake or spinner that can clean out drains pretty well. They'd do a fabulous job in the bathroom.

And in the kitchen. That thing is actually an egg whisk.

Maybe they're so angry all the time because they keep mixing the two up?

 

[Crisp Conditions]

"Eggsterminate!" It all makes sense!