Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[theenglish]

Really enjoyed this episode. I did not expect the map reveal, that was a pretty cool twist. I'm a big fan of Joel Gretsch, so I was happy to see him here, especially after his character on The Witches of East End

Spoiler: Season 2 spoilers

was killed during it's last season

. It's definitely starting to look more and more likely that we're getting Inhumans soon.
I wonder if Skye and her father are Inhumans, if that means one or both of them might appear in the Inhumans movie?
What they are doing with Ward is definitely interesting. I wonder how long he'll be giving these gifts to S.H.I.E.L.D.. If does it much longer he's going to have pretty much everybody after him.
I actually kind of liked the fact that they had Simmons jealous of Fitz and Mac's relationship.
I really hope they don't kill any of the major or recurring agents, I really don't want to see any of them go.

At this point there is no redemption for Ward that will allow him to rejoin the group so I can't see him around for much longer.

I don't want Skye to be Inhuman because her potential Kree origins will serve to expand the show's canvas and an Inhuman origin will limit it somewhat.

 

[Non Sync]

Act V:

Love the twist! "It's not 2-D."

The final piece.

Interesting: Derrick was referred to earlier as "dark SHIELD". Was he HYDRA, then?

So...the city. Any significance, Marvel-buffs?

I thought Colson said the "dark side of SHIELD."

He did; I was using short-hand, of a sort.

Again...wouldn't "the dark side of SHIELD" imply HYDRA?

On re-watching, he did say dark SHIELD.

I thought he was implying the darker side of SHIELD that involved assassinations and the more unseemly tasks that needs to be done in the name of good.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I heard dark side of SHIELD as well. Are you sure it was "dark SHIELD"?

 

[Mr Light]

I heard (and captioning said) Dark Side of SHIELD.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I thought of something. Back in "A Fractured House", Talbot said that S.H.I.E.L.D. came out of hiding with the Battle of New York. While S.H.I.E.L.D. was obviously known to certain other people before then (like General Thunderbolt Ross), it makes sense that Talbot wasn't sufficiently high-ranked at the time and thus wasn't aware of S.H.I.E.L.D. But that got me thinking. Whatever was the public told that the Triskelion was for? A gigantic building along the Potomac in Washington, D.C. would surely be noticed.

I actually kind of liked the fact that they had Simmons jealous of Fitz and Mac's relationship.

That's *Mack.

 

[Marsden]

A gigantic building along the Potomac in Washington, D.C. would surely be noticed.

Laundromat.

 

[Gaith]

I thought of something. Back in "A Fractured House", Talbot said that S.H.I.E.L.D. came out of hiding with the Battle of New York. While S.H.I.E.L.D. was obviously known to certain other people before then (like General Thunderbolt Ross), it makes sense that Talbot wasn't sufficiently high-ranked at the time and thus wasn't aware of S.H.I.E.L.D. But that got me thinking. Whatever was the public told that the Triskelion was for? A gigantic building along the Potomac in Washington, D.C. would surely be noticed.

And for most of Iron Man 1, Coulson seemed to not have realized that "Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and Logistics Division" abbreviated to SHIELD.

And let's not forget the various decades-old SHIELD academies, and their various campuses. And the fact that countries the world over, including China, have made international agreements with 'em.

I stopped asking for any sense out of this part of the MCU a long time ago.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I heard dark side of SHIELD as well. Are you sure it was "dark SHIELD"?

Yeah, it was definitely "He was an assassin from the dark side of SHIELD." Like you said, Coulson was talking about the part of the agency that handled off-book black ops, assassinations, and morally questionable acts that require plausible deniability. That side of the agency no doubt features a lot of HYDRA infiltrators, but Coulson was not specifically referring to HYDRA within SHIELD itself.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I thought of something. Back in "A Fractured House", Talbot said that S.H.I.E.L.D. came out of hiding with the Battle of New York. While S.H.I.E.L.D. was obviously known to certain other people before then (like General Thunderbolt Ross), it makes sense that Talbot wasn't sufficiently high-ranked at the time and thus wasn't aware of S.H.I.E.L.D. But that got me thinking. Whatever was the public told that the Triskelion was for? A gigantic building along the Potomac in Washington, D.C. would surely be noticed.

I actually kind of liked the fact that they had Simmons jealous of Fitz and Mac's relationship.

That's *Mack.

My understanding is Triskelion was built after the battle of New York as well. Essentially, after that battle, they got a massive influx of funds. Because, no, they aren't going to see a giant building on Teddy Roosevelt island and not ask questions about what it's for - especially since it's technically in DC and would require a chance in the law to be built that high (and because it would be a traffic nightmare).

 

[Reverend]

Like I said, there's already several precedents of them significantly deviating from the source material in the interests of rights issues, brevity or they just had a better idea. Wanda and Pietro, Whiplash, The Mandarin, Ultron etc. etc.

In the interests of those things, yes. But that's why I phrased it that way. I still haven't seen anything gained at all by that suggestion.

Well it was just off the top of my head, so I didn't exactly put a massive amount of thought into the idea. Mostly I just thought a direct interpretation of the comic back story might be a unnecessarily convoluted. Especially when it may end up straddling several platforms.

Of course this could all be academic if they never plan on using the Sub-Mariner/Atlantis stuff. Even this city they're looking for does indeed turn out to be Attilan as so have supposed, they may even go a different direction and drop the Atlantis connection altogether (name notwithstanding) and just focus on the inhuman angle.

Regardless, it seems as though they're already using the inhumans as mutant substitutes, so this would just be an extension of that.

Which is speculation, denied specifically for Wanda and Pietro and not commented at all for anyone else. It may be true in Agents of SHIELD where there's at least some hints, but there have been no hints at all in the movies of the same thing.

Even so, however they're going about Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch (I've been actively avoiding AoU spoilers, so I don't know what's been said officially) they *are* significantly deviating from their established origins because by the rights terms, they cannot use Magneto or mutants.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Eh, for much of their lives, they didn't know who their father was. They grew up in eastern Europe far from him. They can be cryptic about their abilities and origins without deviating at all from their actual origin story. They don't have to use any words that start with M to do that.

Re: Namor. Keep in mind that, if Universal just has distribution rights to a Submariner movie, that wouldn't bar using him in someone else's film.

 

[bbjeg]

I'm OK with them being called Miracles.

 

[DEWLine]

My understanding is Triskelion was built after the battle of New York as well. Essentially, after that battle, they got a massive influx of funds. Because, no, they aren't going to see a giant building on Teddy Roosevelt island and not ask questions about what it's for - especially since it's technically in DC and would require a chance in the law to be built that high (and because it would be a traffic nightmare).

Not my sense of the history of the place. I was under the impression that the place had been there for a while. Before the Battle of New York.

 

[theenglish]

My understanding is Triskelion was built after the battle of New York as well. Essentially, after that battle, they got a massive influx of funds. Because, no, they aren't going to see a giant building on Teddy Roosevelt island and not ask questions about what it's for - especially since it's technically in DC and would require a chance in the law to be built that high (and because it would be a traffic nightmare).

Not my sense of the history of the place. I was under the impression that the place had been there for a while. Before the Battle of New York.

I don't have a problem with the Triskelion being there for awhile and still working in continuity. It wouldn't be much different from calling the Pentagon SHIELD HQ. In other words, the building had just been considered an "intelligence" or "military" installation.

 

[DEWLine]

Guessing that USDoD still considered SHIELD to have been "theirs" considering where that committee hearing interrogating Natasha was decorated as being located...?

 

[Enterprise1701]

My understanding is Triskelion was built after the battle of New York as well. Essentially, after that battle, they got a massive influx of funds. Because, no, they aren't going to see a giant building on Teddy Roosevelt island and not ask questions about what it's for - especially since it's technically in DC and would require a chance in the law to be built that high (and because it would be a traffic nightmare).

You're thinking of real-life laws. Laws which have never been mentioned whatsoever in the MCU.

Eh, for much of their lives, they didn't know who their father was. They grew up in eastern Europe far from him. They can be cryptic about their abilities and origins without deviating at all from their actual origin story. They don't have to use any words that start with M to do that.

Could Marvel studios get away with having someone say something like, "As far as I know, he was some nobody who died in a car accident. What was his name again? Eh...Ehr...something like that?"

 

[Alidar Jarok]

My understanding is Triskelion was built after the battle of New York as well. Essentially, after that battle, they got a massive influx of funds. Because, no, they aren't going to see a giant building on Teddy Roosevelt island and not ask questions about what it's for - especially since it's technically in DC and would require a chance in the law to be built that high (and because it would be a traffic nightmare).

Not my sense of the history of the place. I was under the impression that the place had been there for a while. Before the Battle of New York.

Well, nothing was said either way. The first time it was mentioned in the MCU is on the Agents of SHIELD episode "The Hub," which is right around Thor: The Dark World. One of the central premises of Captain America: The Winter Soldier was the massive increase in funding after the battle of New York.

Sure, you don't have to believe it was built after that point. But I don't think you get to both believe it was built before and complain about a logical inconsistency of no one knowing what SHIELD is in spite of the massive building in Washington DC.

Granted, I think they've been extremely inconsistent with SHIELD's existence even without considering the Triskelion. Actually, in my view, if you ignore the running gag in Iron Man, it's easier to just accept that SHIELD is a known agency, just not everyday conversation.

 

[bbjeg]

For me, it feels like the Triskelion was built after the battle of New York, majorly because it's designed to launch advanced Helicarriers. Helicarriers before launched from water and unless they were planning for Tony to give them repulser tech all along, having a launching base like that just for the small shield jets (maybe Coulson's jet too) seems pointless.

 

[Mr Light]

I was operating under the assumption that the Triskelion was brand new in Winter Soldier...

 

[Greg Cox]

Eh, for much of their lives, they didn't know who their father was. They grew up in eastern Europe far from him. They can be cryptic about their abilities and origins without deviating at all from their actual origin story. They don't have to use any words that start with M to do that.

Yes, we should remember that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch were appearing in Marvel Comics for nearly twenty years before they were retconned to be Magneto's children. So it's not like you can't tell AVENGERS stories about them without mentioning their parents . . .

Marvel did it for years and years!