Agents of SHIELD - Season 2 Discussion Threads. (Spoilers Likely)

[Enterprise1701]

Woah. So "the Host" is over 4000 years old?

I wonder whatever became of Doctor Goodman. Besides this episode, "The Writing on the Wall", we've only seen her in Coulson's flashbacks back in "The Magical Place". It looks like she knew more information about Project T.A.H.I.T.I. than what Doctor Streiten was able to tell Coulson.

I hope Cameron Klein/Hank Thompson will return. I've liked Joel Gretsch's work ever since The 4400.

I thought I was onto something for a second there when I looked up 'Attilan' and saw it's supposedly located in the Himalayas and thought that was the Inhuman connection to Skye...but then I looked up the Hunan province and it's thousands of miles to the east. I know it doesn't preclude the possibility that Skye's parent(s?) are escapees/refugees/fugitives from Attilan, but you'd think they'd either be closer to the Tibetan or Nepalese border, or as far away from it as possible.

Also, that corpse pre-dates the pyramids, so it's more likely than ever that the Mar-Vell theory can be ruled out.

Also, random trivia: Ward knew about Strucker *and* that he's "abroad". He appears to have been a lot deeper in Hydra's belly than we've been lead to believe.

Did you notice back in "T.A.H.I.T.I." that in addition to the Guest House in the U.S., S.H.I.E.L.D. had the "decommissioned" facilities Coventry in Egypt, and Shangri-La in Hunan, China? Shangri-La's briefly-seen data entry in the episode said that it was officially abandoned in 1968 though covertly operated into the 1990s. Maybe Lumley and Avery were based out of Shangri-La when they met Skye? I've wondered if the show would ever revisit that detail.

We haven't gotten any information about how old the Kree Empire is in the MCU, but I agree that predating the Pyramids of Giza goes against the Kree/Inhuman theory.

I cheered at that reference to Strucker.

 

[Reverend]

I'm not hugely familiar with Marvel comics lore, but I'm pretty sure the Inhumans (and by extension Kree's visitations to Earth) do indeed go back into pre-history. Indeed I think I read somewhere that the original Inhumans were taken from early, hunter-gatherer era homo-sapien stock.

What I meant was that the idea that the GH corpse is Mar-Vell himself seems rather less likely at this point.

After reading up a little on 'Attilan' it does indeed look like the prime candidate for the carving city. I just wonder if they'll simplify the lore a little. As I understand it, this thing was named after (and mistaken for?) the *actual* Lost City of Atlantis, which was built by (technologically advanced!) humans before sinking the the bottom of the ocean and is now the home to Mermen squatters.

I mean wouldn't it be simpler to just roll these two thing into one? As in Attilan *is* Atlantis and was built by the Kree/Inhumans. For oth thing, the idea of an advanced human civilization in pre-history appears to be at odds with the way things have been portrayed in the Thor movies. Mind you the idea of such heavy Kree influence on Midgard also seems at odds with the idea that Asgard has always stood watch against such things.

I suppose this period might coincide with when they were at war with the Dark Elves and where too distracted to notice what the Kree were up to, much less do anything about it...

 

[The Old Mixer]

In the comics, the Kree visited Earth and experimented on the humans who would become the Inhumans in prehistoric times.

 

[bbjeg]

Another fine episode. Though I am enjoying broken Fitz, it would be OK if the brain machine returned him to normal. I'm also pumped that they're tying into the Inhumans.

As a comic book fan, I am really enjoying were AoS is going this season. More comic book heroes and villains and more references and ties. The best part is it's set up that you don't need to read the comics to follow along.

One of my contacts, MICRO, he's a crime scene junkie!
A Punisher tie!!

I can't believe that flew over my head.

 

[Greg Cox]

I mean wouldn't it be simpler to just roll these two thing into one? As in Attilan *is* Atlantis and was built by the Kree/Inhumans. For oth thing, the idea of an advanced human civilization in pre-history appears to be at odds with the way things have been portrayed in the Thor movies. Mind you the idea of such heavy Kree influence on Midgard also seems at odds with the idea that Asgard has always stood watch against such things.

The only problem there is that, in the comics, Atlantis and Attilan are very different things, with the former being the lost undersea kingdom of Prince Namor the Submariner--which could complicate things if Marvel has any long-term plans for Namor.

The Inhumans come from Attilan. The Submariner comes from Atlantis. Different places.

 

[bbjeg]

And I think Fox owns Submariner.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Don't think so. IIRC, it was Universal. Now it's probably back with Marvel, but distribution rights are still held by Universal (so they need to work together to get a movie out).

 

[Gaith]

The Bottle City of Kandor!

That's it! Turn in your gun and your badge; you're off the force!

 

[theenglish]

I can see the team getting themselves a big slobbery hound in the near future--cute thing that is used for comic relief for the next couple of years until they discover it can teleport to strange and exotic places.

 

[Gaith]

I can see the team getting themselves a big slobbery hound in the near future--cute thing that is used for comic relief for the next couple of years until they discover it can teleport to strange and exotic places.

Hardly any show couldn't be improved by a dog. I've long said that Ollie should get a nice big one, a German Shepherd maybe, to keep Felicity company in the Arrow Cave while everyone else is out in the thick of things, not to mention extra protection if anyone breaks in.

For AoS, maybe a rough collie, or a large black poodle/labradoodle.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That's it! Turn in your gun and your badge; you're off the force!

I was only kidding...it's clearly Cincinnati.

I can see the team getting themselves a big slobbery hound in the near future

Ward...?

 

[kitik]

I can see the team getting themselves a big slobbery hound in the near future--cute thing that is used for comic relief for the next couple of years until they discover it can teleport to strange and exotic places.

Something is wrong with trekbbs, I can't find the like or rep button anywhere.

 

[Guy Gardener]

"Like" is when you don't push the alert moderator button.

 

[Reverend]

I mean wouldn't it be simpler to just roll these two thing into one? As in Attilan *is* Atlantis and was built by the Kree/Inhumans. For oth thing, the idea of an advanced human civilization in pre-history appears to be at odds with the way things have been portrayed in the Thor movies. Mind you the idea of such heavy Kree influence on Midgard also seems at odds with the idea that Asgard has always stood watch against such things.

The only problem there is that, in the comics, Atlantis and Attilan are very different things, with the former being the lost undersea kingdom of Prince Namor the Submariner--which could complicate things if Marvel has any long-term plans for Namor.

The Inhumans come from Attilan. The Submariner comes from Atlantis. Different places.

Not 100% sure, but I think I read somewhere that Sub-Mariner is one of the IPs Marvel hasn't gotten back the movie right to. Not yet anyway.

While we certainly don't know for sure yet, it seems that Marvel are willing to shift Quicksilver & Scarlet Witch from mutants to inhumans to work around when they don't have the rights to something.

So worse case scenario if they do want to do something with him down the line, just make him from an off-shoot group of inhumans. Hell, assuming it's not tied up with the X-Men rights, they might be able to spin The Savage Lands off the inhumans in a similar way.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

That's dumb, though. Why be so deliberately unfaithful to the source material like that? I don't know what you gain by making them all Inhumans.

Anyway, Kevin Feige has said that Marvel has the rights to Namor again, but that it's complicated. It's widely assumed that means Universal still has distribution rights.

 

[Mr Light]

<<"Like" is when you don't push the alert moderator button. >>

 

[Reverend]

That's dumb, though. Why be so deliberately unfaithful to the source material like that? I don't know what you gain by making them all Inhumans.

Anyway, Kevin Feige has said that Marvel has the rights to Namor again, but that it's complicated. It's widely assumed that means Universal still has distribution rights.

Like I said, there's already several precedents of them significantly deviating from the source material in the interests of rights issues, brevity or they just had a better idea. Wanda and Pietro, Whiplash, The Mandarin, Ultron etc. etc.

Regardless, it seems as though they're already using the inhumans as mutant substitutes, so this would just be an extension of that.

Hell, I'd be interested if they try linking Black Panther into it somehow. Maybe have the Wakandans being the descendants of the Atlantians. As in the ones that escaped the cataclysmal. If nothing else it'd be a nice change to see an ancient, technologically advanced civilization looking like sub-Saharan Africans.

 

[Skywalker]

That's dumb, though. Why be so deliberately unfaithful to the source material like that? I don't know what you gain by making them all Inhumans.

Anyway, Kevin Feige has said that Marvel has the rights to Namor again, but that it's complicated. It's widely assumed that means Universal still has distribution rights.

Sounds like the Hulk's situation. Marvel has the rights to the character but Universal still has distribution rights. That's probably why we haven't gotten any more Hulk movies even after his popularity skyrocketed after The Avengers.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Like I said, there's already several precedents of them significantly deviating from the source material in the interests of rights issues, brevity or they just had a better idea. Wanda and Pietro, Whiplash, The Mandarin, Ultron etc. etc.

In the interests of those things, yes. But that's why I phrased it that way. I still haven't seen anything gained at all by that suggestion.

Regardless, it seems as though they're already using the inhumans as mutant substitutes, so this would just be an extension of that.

Which is speculation, denied specifically for Wanda and Pietro and not commented at all for anyone else. It may be true in Agents of SHIELD where there's at least some hints, but there have been no hints at all in the movies of the same thing.

 

[JD]

Really enjoyed this episode. I did not expect the map reveal, that was a pretty cool twist. I'm a big fan of Joel Gretsch, so I was happy to see him here, especially after his character on The Witches of East End

Spoiler: Season 2 spoilers

was killed during it's last season

. It's definitely starting to look more and more likely that we're getting Inhumans soon.
I wonder if Skye and her father are Inhumans, if that means one or both of them might appear in the Inhumans movie?
What they are doing with Ward is definitely interesting. I wonder how long he'll be giving these gifts to S.H.I.E.L.D.. If does it much longer he's going to have pretty much everybody after him.
I actually kind of liked the fact that they had Simmons jealous of Fitz and Mac's relationship.
I really hope they don't kill any of the major or recurring agents, I really don't want to see any of them go.