The Walking Dead Season 5

[Mojochi]

The wiki timeline I just found has the fall of the prison only nine days before their first night in the church

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline

That's a pretty shitty week they've been having. lol

So, the series is now back to compact periods of time rather than undetermined stretches, such as the period between seasons 1 & 2.

I actually took the stretch between the CDC & Hershel's farm as being rather short. Rick's in Atlanta at the start, radioing to Morgan, with the plan of a 125 mile trip to Fort Benning. I can't say it's specifically the same day they get stopped on the road, but it's soon after they depart, and the timeline there has it as the same day, for what that's worth

I get the impression they'll have to do both though. We glossed over a long stretch of time before the prison, like a whole winter, between S2 & S3 & then glossed over some months living at it between S3 & S4, but barring some lack of specificity here & there, it's been pretty straight forward. I was just shocked that it's been so compact for that last 13 episodes

I also suspect we'll have some kind of stretch at the end of this season too. Might be interesting to have them do it in the midseason break for a change

 

[Dorian Thompson]

If Madison Lintz hadn't been killed off as Sophia TPTB would have a hell of a problem by now. Just 3 years later the actress stands between 5'10 and 5'11 and her facial proportions have changed dramatically. Nobody would buy such a short amount of time passing if she were still in the role. She's taller than Andrew Lincoln now. I'll see if I can find that link.

EDIT- here it is. Madison Lintz today.
http://i.imgur.com/6BCUVQV.jpg

Madison today with her former TWD family. Melissa McBride was wearing high heeled boots in the shot.
http://i.imgur.com/jEuKzfX.jpg

 

[Turd Ferguson]

But, it'd be hard to have a significant time jump without compensating for everyone's survival and encounters in the intervening time as well as the rotting of the walkers, which has progressed over the course of the series.

It would be a nice change for the series if the producers did not lay out every season with guaranteed deaths of major characters. At least it would show the survivors gained some edge in the world, rather than 3 or 4 of their number being picked off every season.

They shouldn't be dying to walkers at any rate. If you've been around long enough, you should be able to anticipate walkers. It's not like they strategize. It's more believable to me that they die by the hand of other humans. They behave randomly and irrationally, and that'll get you every time.

That's another complaint I have with this show. We're almost two years into the zombie apocalypse, and some of the characters they run into act like they've never seen a zombie before, like they've been in a coma or just got amnesia. Everyone they meet at this point, unless they are in a walled off community like Alexandria, Woodbury or Richmond, should be total badasses, with the zombies being nuisances akin to gnats, unless they're in a huge herd. I know that makes for boring TV, but the only way around that is, instead of doing time jumps, focus on new sets of characters every couple of seasons and reset the time back to around the beginning of the zombie apocalypse.

 

[Tom]

It would be a nice change for the series if the producers did not lay out every season with guaranteed deaths of major characters. At least it would show the survivors gained some edge in the world, rather than 3 or 4 of their number being picked off every season.

They shouldn't be dying to walkers at any rate. If you've been around long enough, you should be able to anticipate walkers. It's not like they strategize. It's more believable to me that they die by the hand of other humans. They behave randomly and irrationally, and that'll get you every time.

That's another complaint I have with this show. We're almost two years into the zombie apocalypse, and some of the characters they run into act like they've never seen a zombie before, like they've been in a coma or just got amnesia. Everyone they meet at this point, unless they are in a walled off community like Alexandria, Woodbury or Richmond, should be total badasses, with the zombies being nuisances akin to gnats, unless they're in a huge herd. I know that makes for boring TV, but the only way around that is, instead of doing time jumps, focus on new sets of characters every couple of seasons and reset the time back to around the beginning of the zombie apocalypse.

Who??

Everyone in the series knows about the Zombies. Some characters, like Gabriel and the Grady hospital folks have been a bit more shielded from them than Rick and Co., still the zombies are fact they have to deal with. Also, all of those people have had friends and/or family lost in the ZA. No one is unaffected

 

[Turd Ferguson]

Who??

Everyone in the series knows about the Zombies. Some characters, like Gabriel and the Grady hospital folks have been a bit more shielded from them than Rick and Co., still the zombies are fact they have to deal with. Also, all of those people have had friends and/or family lost in the ZA. No one is unaffected

I don't mean LITERALLY have never seen a zombie, I'm talking they ACT like they don't know how to act around zombies. I'm referring to people like Bob, who happily walk into a zombie's open mouth and the guy with the cabin in the woods who was blissfully unaware there even was a zombie apocalypse.

Even Father Gabriel, who was scared shitless in the woods, acted like he didn't know how to fend off zombies. We know he went on supply runs, and you mean in these two years he's never had to fight off even ONE zombie? These fuckers pop up everywhere at all times. Unless you're Dr. Eugene Porter, under the protection of the U.S. Military, you should, by this point, be able to fight off one, if not more, zombies. If not, it makes the character look like a complete moron.

 

[bbjeg]

I don't mean LITERALLY have never seen a zombie, I'm talking they ACT like they don't know how to act around zombies. I'm referring to people like Bob, who happily walk into a zombie's open mouth and the guy with the cabin in the woods who was blissfully unaware there even was a zombie apocalypse...

I assumed that guy was on drugs. His house was boarded up.

 

[Mojochi]

^ Are we talking about the crazy guy in the shack, that they had to kill... because he was crazy? I just kind of figured that guy was crazy, and that was why he was acting all... crazily

Gabriel's been living most of this time on food drive supplies, and has only been on a few runs from what I understood, and the area wasn't all that overrun anymore, except those walkers trapped in buildings like the food drive HQ

Bob's death was just stupid, but in retrospect, Bob's whole character & development was stupid. Frankly, the overwhelming indication now is that the shape of the world of humanity is only two types, the roaming superbadasses, like Rick's group is supposed to be & Joe's claimers were, or some kind of guarded community, of which we're into our 3rd major one, and all of them have been seriously bad news, unless you count the Vatos Home, may they RIP

Communities of less than 100 or gangs of less than 20. That's all there is to find now. If you find a gang, you should probably be on guard so you don't get fleeced, raped & murdered by them, and if you find a community, you should be taking a long hard look at how they get by, because there is almost certainly some kind of ugly hierarchy, dictatorship, or downright complete social decay. Maybe not.... but very likely, because it will have been built up by strong people who will have had to sacrifice, or betray their humanity

This might not always be the case, but you must go into each one with that potential threat (Should've come to that conclusion long before now actually)

 

[Trekker4747]

Bob's been plot fodder pretty much since he was introduced.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Who??

Everyone in the series knows about the Zombies. Some characters, like Gabriel and the Grady hospital folks have been a bit more shielded from them than Rick and Co., still the zombies are fact they have to deal with. Also, all of those people have had friends and/or family lost in the ZA. No one is unaffected

I don't mean LITERALLY have never seen a zombie, I'm talking they ACT like they don't know how to act around zombies. I'm referring to people like Bob, who happily walk into a zombie's open mouth and the guy with the cabin in the woods who was blissfully unaware there even was a zombie apocalypse.

Even Father Gabriel, who was scared shitless in the woods, acted like he didn't know how to fend off zombies. We know he went on supply runs, and you mean in these two years he's never had to fight off even ONE zombie? These fuckers pop up everywhere at all times. Unless you're Dr. Eugene Porter, under the protection of the U.S. Military, you should, by this point, be able to fight off one, if not more, zombies. If not, it makes the character look like a complete moron.

That is a good point; unless someone ran for the top of a mountain within the first day of the ZA--avoiding the outbreak--then at some time, survivors must have been forced to kill a few walkers. The cabin nutcase and Gabriel were acting like they were just beamed down from a planet with no ZA. Walkers are as commonplace as mosquitoes.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

That family that the Governor shacked up at seemed pretty oblivious to things as well.

 

[Trekker4747]

That family that the Governor shacked up at seemed pretty oblivious to things as well.

Yeah, but they, too, had somehow remained more-or-less shacked up in their apartment for the larger part of the 2-years that've passed since the ZA occurred. Hell, they didn't even seem to know you have to shoot the walkers in the head. I think it was said the father had a food truck or something and that's what they had used for supplies over the last few years? (As well as looting the building they were in.)

So it's "possible" at this point people have remained isolated from the ZA. Hell, Rick firing his gun drew the herd to Herschel's farm, had that not happened how long would Herschel and his family remained oblivious to what was really going on in the world and what the walkers were?

(Granted, at that point the ZA had only been going on for a couple months.)

 

[Mojochi]

If you can put any stock into the wiki timeline, it has the Gov. meeting Lilly & Tara only about a week or 2 after the 1st anniversary. By their account, it's still only been less than a year & a half, all total. There's still the slim possibility that people who had a solid food supply could've shut themselves in that long, especially folks who have prepped bunkers & such. It's a stretch, but not impossible

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

That family that the Governor shacked up at seemed pretty oblivious to things as well.

Yeah, but they, too, had somehow remained more-or-less shacked up in their apartment for the larger part of the 2-years that've passed since the ZA occurred. Hell, they didn't even seem to know you have to shoot the walkers in the head. I think it was said the father had a food truck or something and that's what they had used for supplies over the last few years? (As well as looting the building they were in.)

Tara's family knew enough to be armed, lock doors and fear the reanimated relative. Even if they never personally killed a walker, it seems they know the magnitude of the threat. Cabin-man and Gabriel were acting like it was all new.

So it's "possible" at this point people have remained isolated from the ZA. Hell, Rick firing his gun drew the herd to Herschel's farm, had that not happened how long would Herschel and his family remained oblivious to what was really going on in the world and what the walkers were?

(Granted, at that point the ZA had only been going on for a couple months.)

Hershel and his family were well aware of walkers, since they were collecting them, and also asked if the injured Carl was bitten. Clearly, they know much about walkers and how the infection is spread. With that much experience, I would feel safe in guessing that the Greenes would know what to do if a walker did not cooperate, or somehow found its way out of the barn.

 

[Servo]

Cabin-man and Gabriel were acting like it was all new.

Cabin-man was clearly insane, or at the very least didn't have enough of his faculties to understand what was going on, so I'm not sure why you keep holding him up as an example.

Gabriel was just inexperienced, as his cowardice and supply of food from the food bank meant he probably had very little contact with walkers.

 

[kitik]

There's still the slim possibility that people who had a solid food supply could've shut themselves in that long, especially folks who have prepped bunkers & such. It's a stretch, but not impossible

Have we met any doomsday preppers on this show yet? You'd think there'd be a few of 'em out there.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Cabin-man and Gabriel were acting like it was all new.

Cabin-man was clearly insane, or at the very least didn't have enough of his faculties to understand what was going on, so I'm not sure why you keep holding him up as an example.

For one, it is not even remotely believable that Cabin-man never left the confines of his one room to get supplies, or whatever else was necessary in order to survive. His shack was not the TARDIS, so it is reasonable to believe he could not have everything needed in that small space since the start of the ZA until his appearance on the show.

Secondly, the if there's one constant on TWD, it is the habit of walkers to occupy every forest traveled, so there's no way Cabin man--insane or not--would not encounter walkers when outside of his shack. They were certainly around in force by the day Rick's group arrived.

Gabriel was just inexperienced, as his cowardice and supply of food from the food bank meant he probably had very little contact with walkers.

Gabriel ventured outside of the church, and had experiences with walkers. After two years, who buys the notion that he does not know how walkers are killed?

Have we met any doomsday preppers on this show yet? You'd think there'd be a few of 'em out there.

Not yet--on camera. But from season 3, Tyreese and Sasha said they lived in the bunker of a survivalist for awhile.

 

[Servo]

Cabin-man and Gabriel were acting like it was all new.

Cabin-man was clearly insane, or at the very least didn't have enough of his faculties to understand what was going on, so I'm not sure why you keep holding him up as an example.

For one, it is not even remotely believable that Cabin-man never left the confines of his one room to get supplies, or whatever else was necessary in order to survive. His shack was not the TARDIS, so it is reasonable to believe he could not have everything needed in that small space since the start of the ZA until his appearance on the show.

Secondly, the if there's one constant on TWD, it is the habit of walkers to occupy every forest traveled, so there's no way Cabin man--insane or not--would not encounter walkers when outside of his shack. They were certainly around in force by the day Rick's group arrived.

You're only speculating that he was alone the whole time. I can just as easily speculate that he had someone looking out for him for most of the ZA. Maybe they went on a supply run one day and never came back. Or they got sick of the burden and bailed. We don't know he was on his own the whole time, just that he was at the time Rick's group encountered him.

Gabriel was just inexperienced, as his cowardice and supply of food from the food bank meant he probably had very little contact with walkers.

Gabriel ventured outside of the church, and had experiences with walkers. After two years, who buys the notion that he does not know how walkers are killed?

Again, you're just speculating about his encounters. From everything we've seen of his character, I'd guess he spent as long as possible locked in his church with the food supply. A combination of guilt and fear keeping him from venturing outside until it was absolutely necessary. How would he know that destroying the brain would kill a walker unless he'd seen it happen, or someone told him? As a religious man, he may have even believed it was a biblical apocalypse, in which case he may not have even thought that the risen dead could be killed.

Given his character, it seems more likely that he had very few encounters with zombies, and those that he did have he was able to run from. After everything we've seen of him, do you really think he has it in him to kill a walker? He has no gun, so we're talking up close and personal here. He seems more like the kind of guy who, if cornered, would more likely fold and get eaten than fight back.

 

[Silvercrest]

I have to agree with TREK_GOD_1 that Cabin-man should have had a horde of zombies pounding on his door. I'd accept that he can handle himself, forage, and survive in that little cabin, but once walkers are attracted to an area, they don't just leave.

I'll grant that someone smart enough and prepared enough could set up a series of "dinner bells" to be triggered from inside the cabin. Something that banged or clattered about 50 feet away to attract the attention of the walkers at the door. Then another, 50 feet further away, to keep them going. You might be able to survive that way.

That said, I don't think Cabin-man was quite so organized.

As to how to kill walkers: Tara & co. had no idea that a headshot is required. They'd already accepted that they couldn't be killed.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Cabin-man and Gabriel were acting like it was all new.

Cabin-man was clearly insane, or at the very least didn't have enough of his faculties to understand what was going on, so I'm not sure why you keep holding him up as an example.

For one, it is not even remotely believable that Cabin-man never left the confines of his one room to get supplies, or whatever else was necessary in order to survive. His shack was not the TARDIS, so it is reasonable to believe he could not have everything needed in that small space since the start of the ZA until his appearance on the show.

Secondly, the if there's one constant on TWD, it is the habit of walkers to occupy every forest traveled, so there's no way Cabin man--insane or not--would not encounter walkers when outside of his shack. They were certainly around in force by the day Rick's group arrived.

Gabriel was just inexperienced, as his cowardice and supply of food from the food bank meant he probably had very little contact with walkers.

Gabriel ventured outside of the church, and had experiences with walkers. After two years, who buys the notion that he does not know how walkers are killed?
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i buy it.

1. he's in a SMALL TOWN. The food went to the COUNTY food bank (if i am not mistaken). With a small town, there's fewer people, and more space. If people weren't eaten , most of the few walkers would be spaced out.....

2. Being a small town, it might not be a "popular" place for scavengers. So the Father could've gotten quite a bit of food in the past 2 years.

3. the main survivors that he actually knew were outside the church...and they too did nOT know how to kill the walkers, or if they did, were still overwhelmed by numbers, and were probably NOT yelling out to Gabriel HOW to kill walkers as they were being eaten.

4. Wasn't some of the scripture he was writing in a notebook ABOUt "Thou Shall Not Kill"?

5. Is he a violent person at alll? In the "real world", he'd seem the nice guy type of pastor....and with no southern accent, he was probably raised in a Northern setting, with no experience of hunting or fighting.



There's a lot of deception with him (or at least hiding of the truth)...but i think it's more about letting people die...and those "i sin alomost every day"...curious what that would be. Well, not THAT curious.

 

[Mojochi]

I have to say, of l the unrealistic stuff on this show, that stretches beyond belief, a couple or few oddballs having less than top notch skills and experience is way at the bottom of my list of gripes. With the complete lack of back story on the Wacky Shackie and the apparent monastic isolation of the reverend, I'm much more incline to suspend disbelief, than with... say... a group of military people convincing our veterans to buy into a hillbilly claiming he's a government scientist. That's way more in your face