The 'hate Star Trek V' bandwagon.

[Melakon]

Still, I think he had the best grasp on the characters of all of them, save perhaps for Nimoy, who did a great job at his turn of director.

Yes, these two guys probably know the most about the real essence of Star Trek. It's too bad Shatner didn't exercise his 'favored nations' contract sooner, because The Voyage Home might have been a better fit for him, his constant enthusiasm, and sense of humor.

 

[Warped9]

Of the TOS based films TMP and TWOK had the best f/x. After that it was a noticeable slip in quality with TFF being the most obvious.

There are some interesting ideas in TFF and it had an aspirational story within it, but a lot of poor decisions as well as other not-so-good ideas undermined what could have been a much better film. They had a decent budget, but it doesn't show on the screen.

I don't find it a chore to watch TFF, but I do find it disappointing because there's stuff added to it that serves no purpose and what good is present is not used to good and full effect.

But STIV and VI are full of things that serve no purpose. Cheap humor for humors sake. Spock's 'the hell ' addiction and Kirk kicking the creature in the 'regions' are prime examples.

I consider both IV and VI to be the weak links in the series. Both have a grasping at straws 'What can we do in this movie?' feel to them. VI feels like the biggest cheat. An episode of Columbo in space. Lazy writing.

Both TVH and TUC are also flawed films with their own baggage, but that's not sufficient defense of TFF's baggage.

And for the record despite its flaws I like TFF better than TVH. TVH is my least favouried of all the TOS based films.

 

[Greg Cox]

Okay, we're obviously not on the same page here. My three favorite trek movies are Khan, The Voyage Home, and The Undiscovered Country in that order

But do you feel that your preferences are superior because they are the choice of the majority of Trekkers?

Nope. Just reporting my own tastes, if only to demonstrate that Trekkies of good will can have wildly different favorites--without any oppressive majorities involved.

There's a difference between disagreeing about movies and judging each other. Not the same thing at all.

(Heck, my friends and I argue about movies and TV shows all the time. Doesn't mean we think less of each other.)

 

[Ithekro]

I know someone who collects things, and he purposefully does not have a copy of Star Trek V. He does not care for it at all.

And this is someone who definately is not a bandwagon sort. One of his favorite Star Wars characters is Jar Jar Binks. And his least favorite is C-3PO.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I think where it falls down for many is because II, III and IV are a tight trilogy, while VI is sort of like a coda to that trilogy. So, V is it's own story, which means that if it gets watched in context of the movies around it, then it stands out. Watched in isolation though, it holds up as... okay.

Just an opinion. I am NOT swayed by 'group think'.

But VI also has nothing to do with the Genesis factor. Yet, it is treated with respect because Lord Meyer was involved. In reality, it is a lazy episode of Columbo in space. Light on wonder and excitement. Less like TOS than TFF is.

 

[Warped9]

TMP DE and TWOK DE are the only Trek films I have in my video library.

 

[Greg Cox]

TMP DE and TWOK DE are the only Trek films I have in my video library.

I have all of them--for reference purposes--but I'm not sure I've ever taken the plastic off Nemesis or Insurrection.

 

[Melakon]

TMP DE and TWOK DE are the only Trek films I have in my video library.

I used to have all the TOS films, all the Indiana Jones, all the Star Wars, all the Back to the Futures, and all the James Bonds available up to that time among my collection of 400 store bought tapes. Then a thief got 2/3 of my collection. Currently no TOS films added yet, since undecided which to get first.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

Currently no TOS films added yet, since undecided which to get first.

May I make a recommendation?

 

[{ Emilia }]

Currently no TOS films added yet, since undecided which to get first.

May I make a recommendation?

I think only the hive mind is allowed to. Individual recommendations are frowned upon.

 

[Greg Cox]

I took advantage of Blockbuster Video going out of business to fill in the holes in my ST movie collection . . . .

 

[Captrek]

Currently no TOS films added yet, since undecided which to get first.

May I make a recommendation?

My recommendation

I love TFF. I love all of the TOS films.

 

[Melakon]

Currently no TOS films added yet, since undecided which to get first.

May I make a recommendation?

You can make any recommendation you want, but I've already viewed every official Star Trek film ever made multiple times. So a recommendation will have no influence on my decision.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

I love TFF. I love all of the TOS films.

Thank you for coming forward.

 

[Lance]

I think where it falls down for many is because II, III and IV are a tight trilogy, while VI is sort of like a coda to that trilogy. So, V is it's own story, which means that if it gets watched in context of the movies around it, then it stands out. Watched in isolation though, it holds up as... okay.

Just an opinion. I am NOT swayed by 'group think'.

But VI also has nothing to do with the Genesis factor. Yet, it is treated with respect because Lord Meyer was involved.

No, you've missed the point. It isn't about 'genesis', it's about the character arcs. VI picks up and continues certain threads established back in the II-III-IV trilogy. Hence why I said "coda".

The fact that Meyer was involved means that, yes, it feels more like the II-III-IV trilogy as well.

STV is like TOS, it's a stand-alone (like the TNG movies), and within it's isolated context it's perfectly watchable. But it just doesn't 'fit' with the rest of the movies. I see that as a basic fact.

 

[HansVerhaaden]

No, you've missed the point. It isn't about 'genesis', it's about the character arcs. VI picks up and continues certain threads established in the II-III-IV trilogy.

The fact that Meyer was involved means that, yes, it feels more like the II-III-IV trilogy as well.

STV is like TOS, it's a stand-alone (like the TNG movies), and within it's isolated context it's perfectly watchable. But it just doesn't 'fit' with the rest of the movies.

I cannot see any difference in the character arcs between the characters in TFF.

I wonder, if TFF had Meyer's name attached and the end product was the version that we have - would Trekkers who previously disliked it suddenly over it?...

Hmmm...

 

[{ Emilia }]

I wonder, if TFF had Meyer's name attached and the end product was the version that we have - would Trekkers who previously disliked it suddenly over it?...

Nope.

 

[Amaris]

Still, I think he had the best grasp on the characters of all of them, save perhaps for Nimoy, who did a great job at his turn of director.

Yes, these two guys probably know the most about the real essence of Star Trek. It's too bad Shatner didn't exercise his 'favored nations' contract sooner, because The Voyage Home might have been a better fit for him, his constant enthusiasm, and sense of humor.

Good point. William Shatner is the eternal optimist, and he loves to play jokes. TVH may have been a better fit for him.

 

[{ Emilia }]

Why was everybody in Star Trek V either silly (Scotty, Uhura), incompetent (Chekov, Sulu), naive (Spock and McCoy falling for Sybok)... apart from Kirk?

I wonder why the director considered that a good idea!

 

[Greg Cox]

No, you've missed the point. It isn't about 'genesis', it's about the character arcs. VI picks up and continues certain threads established in the II-III-IV trilogy.

The fact that Meyer was involved means that, yes, it feels more like the II-III-IV trilogy as well.

STV is like TOS, it's a stand-alone (like the TNG movies), and within it's isolated context it's perfectly watchable. But it just doesn't 'fit' with the rest of the movies.

I cannot see any difference in the character arcs between the characters in TFF.

I wonder, if TFF had Meyer's name attached and the end product was the version that we have - would Trekkers who previously disliked it suddenly over it?...

Hmmm...

Again, you're not giving people credit for having their own opinions and implying that they're all mindless sheep who are swayed by their adulation of Meyer . . . or peer pressure . . . or anything other than their genuine reaction to the movie.

Here's a crazy idea: maybe the people who don't like the movie do so because, well, they just don't like the movie.

Is that really so hard to accept?