HansVerhaaden
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They would not wish to be banned or lose the respect of their peers by displaying aggression publicly.
We have to remain civil and decent online if we wish to remain.
The 'hate Star Trek V' bandwagon.
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They would not wish to be banned or lose the respect of their peers by displaying aggression publicly.
We have to remain civil and decent online if we wish to remain.
HansVerhaaden
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I cannot be certain about the figures but they will be there. I would certainly not point finger at people. Everyone here could be decent and genuine.
However, out there somewhere, there could be those reading this who are feeling contempt.
They would not wish to be banned or lose the respect of their peers by displaying aggression publicly.
We have to remain civil and decent online if we wish to remain.
"I am convinced of this conspiracy that I have no proof of."
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Oh my, no. I don't care.
I saw ST V in the theater, and what I remember from that first viewing was a gradual increase of disappointment as it went on. There were some good story concepts, but I didn't always like how they were presented.
The effects were below par in some cases, with blue screen work obvious. When the Klingon guy uses a space probe for target practice, there was what looked like poor stop-motion animation. The best effects sequence for me was the shuttle crash into the hangar deck.
I thought it was quite a coup when I saw David Warner's name in the credits, but the character he was given didn't make use of his strengths as an actor. Laurence Luckinbill was okay, but it felt to me like he was trying to be Richard Kiley.
It was Shatner's first feature film directing credit, but his only prior experience with film was a dozen or so T.J. Hooker episodes, and it shows. It's a shame, because I think he really believed in the project, but there were too many logistics for him to deal with, and was apparently in over his head.
The effects were below par in some cases, with blue screen work obvious. When the Klingon guy uses a space probe for target practice, there was what looked like poor stop-motion animation. The best effects sequence for me was the shuttle crash into the hangar deck.
I thought it was quite a coup when I saw David Warner's name in the credits, but the character he was given didn't make use of his strengths as an actor. Laurence Luckinbill was okay, but it felt to me like he was trying to be Richard Kiley.
It was Shatner's first feature film directing credit, but his only prior experience with film was a dozen or so T.J. Hooker episodes, and it shows. It's a shame, because I think he really believed in the project, but there were too many logistics for him to deal with, and was apparently in over his head.
Okay, we're obviously not on the same page here. My three favorite trek movies are Khan, The Voyage Home, and The Undiscovered Country in that order. Those are the ones that I can watch over and over and still enjoy.
Which just goes to show that different people have different tastes, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaking of 1989, I still remember going to see BATMAN twice, with two separate groups of friends. The first group, who were all hardcore comics-reading, convention-going fans, loved it, but the second group of friends, who were co-workers from the office, were disappointed because they were expecting something more like the campy 1960's TV version. Same movie, completely different reactions and expectations.
That's just the way it works sometimes.
Which just goes to show that different people have different tastes, and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaking of 1989, I still remember going to see BATMAN twice, with two separate groups of friends. The first group, who were all hardcore comics-reading, convention-going fans, loved it, but the second group of friends, who were co-workers from the office, were disappointed because they were expecting something more like the campy 1960's TV version. Same movie, completely different reactions and expectations.
That's just the way it works sometimes.
I feel great ambivalence toward opinions about STV. My personal opinion, I think, is that STV is an amusing, subpar film. But I'm not sure ...
HansVerhaaden
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But do you feel that your preferences are superior because they are the choice of the majority of Trekkers?
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I agree he believed in it. You can hear it in the commentaries. The man wanted this movie to be great, he wanted to tell a deep, thoughtful, engaging story, and it just didn't work as he intended. I give him a lot of credit for wanting it to work, and trying to make it work, but production issues, studio interference, all brought it to a grinding halt. Still, I think he had the best grasp on the characters of all of them, save perhaps for Nimoy, who did a great job at his turn of director.
HansVerhaaden
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But he did make it work. For me, anyway. I thank him for his contribution. I think we need to be more appreciative of William's work here. As Trekkers, we should embrace everything that is offered to us - especially when it is presented to us by Kirk himself.
HansVerhaaden
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Why does someone so confident in a grey bathrobe and black socks care about the opinions of others regarding movie preferences?
It just feels like the weight of the anti Star Trek V crowd is crushing me. Perhaps I expected more people to come forward. Declare themselves. Sadly, this has not happened.
Most people don't give a damn if you like the movie or not. It's not an issue that makes people pick up their pitchforks.
You will find misquoting people like this will not win you any appreciation.
HansVerhaaden
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I do not go to the movies wearing my grey bath robe and a black sock. Perhaps I should.
HansVerhaaden
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You will find misquoting people like this will not win you any appreciation.
My mistake.
I think where it falls down for many is because II, III and IV are a tight trilogy, while VI is sort of like a coda to that trilogy. So, V is it's own story, which means that if it gets watched in context of the movies around it, then it stands out. Watched in isolation though, it holds up as... okay.
Just an opinion. I am NOT swayed by 'group think'.
Just an opinion. I am NOT swayed by 'group think'.
I do not go to the movies wearing my grey bath robe and a black sock. Perhaps I should.
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