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8X07 "Kill The Moon" (Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)
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There were so many ridiculus science errors that it really detracted from the drama. It was hard to take it seriously. You can only accept so many unbelievable things in a story before your suspension of disbelief is gone.
The script was really rough draft that needed a thorough review.
Mr Awe
The idea of the Doctor letting the humans making the choice was the best part of an otherwise laughable story. If they had a story that wasn't full of holes, this would've been a classic.
Mr Awe
Yea, Nyssa's introduction on Trakken seemed to portray her as a few years younger than Sarah Sutton, and in Logopolis Tegan certainly seemed to treat her like a child (Though, Nyssa did feel older in Davison stories)
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People do realize this is the same show that had abiogenesis created by a spaceship (City of Death) and at the wrong time too (400 million years) and planets that could move like spaceships (Tenth Planet, Pirate Planet, Dalek Invasion of Earth, and most recently the Stolen Earth/Journey's End).
I like the direction the Doctor is going... He's spent so many of his lives being the protector of the earth, holding our hands along the way, only to see us screw things up... I see where they are going with his distaste of soldiers and I really think it's a larger statement on war in general... First you have Hurt's "War Doctor" who sacrificed everything... Then Smith's Doctor, who despite his childish exterior, was very violence prone. Then, with all that transpired toward the end at Trenzelor... He's just tired... Tired of being the one who has to decide right or wrong and then no matter what, being held accountable... Tired of war and fighting...
I think he's still finding his way as a "new and improved" Doctor because he's finding that his version of "new and improved" doesn't suit everyone else.
I think he's still finding his way as a "new and improved" Doctor because he's finding that his version of "new and improved" doesn't suit everyone else.
In terms of drama and emotion, the "break-up" scene between Clara and the Doctor was excellent. Jenna and Peter do a great acting job in that scene. What's interesting is that the Doctor genuinely does not seem to "get it". He seems to honestly think that he was respecting Clara by leaving when they needed to make the decision to blow up the moon or not. He does not seem to understand why Clara is reacting the way she did.
Admittedly the Doctor is about 900 years out of practice in dealing with humans, and Clara specifically. He's been living on a planet that has a truth field for 900 years and figting everything in the known universe to keep a planet with a crack in the universe safe. No telling what that did to his personality, even as the 11th Doctor. The change to the 12th Doctor was something he wasn't expecting and has no idea how it works. He even mentions that they might have to shoot him a lot as he might keep regenerating forever, he doesn't know.
While The Moonbase is definitely 2070AD, there's no definite date for either Wheel in Space or Seeds of Death beyond '21st Century'. So they could be before or after 2070, and many fans have gone grey trying to work out which!
Even within the stories (with no reference to wider continuity), it's difficult to work out: Wheel in Space might be quite early in spaceflight and well before 2070, and (in so far as any of the 'space facts' mentioned make sense, as most of them don't, even by Who or 1960s TVSF standards) it might be at the L3 Lagrange point (as it's Station 3). But now it could be an early outpost after the expansion into space following 2050 and Kill the Moon.
Similarly, the internal evidence within Seeds suggests it's maybe 50 years since the 'first Lunar passenger module' (which seems as if it might have been a crew transport, larger than just a Lunar Module, but not necessarily a proper passenger vessel, more like using a Chinook as a transport for troops etc. Or more directly, the Big Gemini proposal which was around when the story was made), though it could be as little as 20 or as much as 100 (depends on how old Professor Eldred's father was when he worked on the module, and when he became a father)
A common assumption, reflected by the New Adventures, has been that as the Seeds Moonbase looks larger than the one in The Moonbase, it's later. But if the Seeds one was lost when the Moon disappeared, then the smaller one could be the replacement.
They did that episode already--speaking of..
Ah, the egg swap..
It wouldn't just be humans that could have been harmed with the lunar break up--which looked rather weak
Me too. Now for them to build Sea Dragon
Speaking of that--there actually was a plan for a cislunar mission--but it would have been costly..pdf follows:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19910014907.pdf
http://cosmoquest.org/forum/showthread.php?136623-Space-Shuttle-flying-to-the-moon
Not with that payload. Had an orbiter filled with nukes detonated on the lunar surface, the result would have been another ho-hum sized crater---no biggie.
Since we are on a Trek board I was wondering if, when the moon hatched, anyone else thought the creature was the Great Bird of the Galaxy? Because that's what I thought.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Bird_of_the_Galaxy
Nah, I was thinking of the Superfriends episode where the Moon was an egg.
http://superfriends.wikia.com/wiki/Luna
That's my hang-up. Junk science should at least make some sense...
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I'm not understanding what's wrong with a 100 Million Year Cycle?
That doesn't mean the Moon hasn't already done this Cycle 100 or 1000 or even a million times.
It also doesn't need to mean that the moon has always been next to Earth. Maybe the Spiders are a Recon team , that helps the newly hatched Space bird determine if it should lay the next egg again where it hatched from, or if it should travel with it for 1000 years to lay it at a new location
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Maybe he didn't "Know" know, but he might've known enough subconsciously to randomly spout that inaccuracy, inexplicably?
Maybe he didn't "Know" know, but he might've known enough subconsciously to randomly spout that inaccuracy, inexplicably?
The Doctor makes educated guesses, most of the time he is in the right ballpark but not completely correct. Occasionally, he's spectacularly wrong.
Bad science should at least have an explanation to it. Fantastical impossibilities are far easier to accept than the highly improbable. Call it an inter-dimensional creature pulling mass from the other side of a wormhole. Have the new egg appear as part of some sort of dimensional jiggery-pokery. Give the moon an age more in line with what our science knows to be accurate, or even use the fact that it crashed into the earth as hypothesis for why it has taken billions of years to hatch. Anything is better than just making up nonsense that anyone with a highschool education is going to know is woefully inaccurate.
Maybe he didn't "Know" know, but he might've known enough subconsciously to randomly spout that inaccuracy, inexplicably?
Nah, it was just crap science.
Doctor Who isn't always accurate but it is usually intelligent, or at least not outright dumb. This story just had dumb science.
- The shuttle couldn't have gotten to the moon but if it could, it couldn't have carried 100 nukes.
- But, if it could carry 100 nukes, they wouldn't be able to blow up the moon.
- But, if they could blow up the moon it would cause debris to rain down on the Earth.
- But, if somehow the moon debris didn't ruin the Earth and floated away in space, the absence of the moon would cause huge problems because the moon stabilizes the Earths tilt.
And that's not getting into other huge errors like the mass magically increasing just because the bird was developing and how it magically laid a moon-massed egg right after hatching. The incorrect age of the moon. And so on.
Mr Awe
Once you've got a shuttle orbiter into a LEO parking orbit (as usual) there's no reason why you couldn't get it to the Moon IF you'd also put up a booster stage to provide the Trans Lunar Injection burn.
The EDO wafer would be enough to support a crew for the round trip to lunar space and back (though you'd have to build one, as it was lost with Columbia and I don't think NASA ever had a spare).
Whether the orbiter OMS system would have the punch to drop it into lunar orbit, let alone conduct a final descent burn or push it out of orbit back to Earth is more questionable. And any sort of landing, even a survivable ditch like we saw, is pushing things way past doable. You'd need a specialist LM in the cargo bay for that (simple solution within the Kill the Moon concept would be to pull a Soviet L3 cabin from a museum as well, but that could only carry one person and no nukes).
Edit; Actually, thinking about it, that could have worked nicely: TARDIS lands on the Moon just as Hermione Norris lands solo in an L3, with a mission to locate a weak spot in the crust and plant a beacon which will guide in the nuke-landed shuttle she's left in orbit. Not perfect, but slightly less tech-incredible and the shuttle's descent trajectory provides a natural countdown to a final abort point, not an arbitrary "I'll set it for an hour".
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