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8X02 "Into the Dalek" Grading/Discussion)(SPOILERS!)

Grade "Into the Dalek"

  • Eyebrows

    Votes: 34 28.6%
  • Good

    Votes: 57 47.9%
  • Average

    Votes: 19 16.0%
  • Bad

    Votes: 7 5.9%
  • Exterminate!

    Votes: 2 1.7%

  • Total voters
    119
  • Poll closed .
A couple of things I noticed is how strange it is for the Doctor to go pick up Clara in the middle of the adventure. "Hey Clara, I'm in a super dangerous situation, so I thought I'd bring you some coffee and pick you up."

Personally, I really like this aspect of the show. He's got a time machine! He should use it!
 
A couple of things I noticed is how strange it is for the Doctor to go pick up Clara in the middle of the adventure. "Hey Clara, I'm in a super dangerous situation, so I thought I'd bring you some coffee and pick you up."

He already had the coffee when he got into the dangerous situation, though. At the beginning of the episode, when he rescues Blue he has the plastic cups in his hand. The dialogue with Clara suggests that he was on his way to fetch coffee for the two of them when he got "distracted".

(That also means the coffee was probably cold by the time he is about to hand it to Clara.)
 
If those who sacrificed their lives for the Doctor go to Missy, did Rusty go to heaven after the unfinished business was done?
 
Well, since I doubt it's real heaven, that would be pretty stupid to teleport a Dalek there.
 
My only issue with him is a general issue about Doctor Who since the revival. What's with all the mixed relationships on the show?

All... two of them? Rose/Mickey and Clara/Danny?

Did you forget Donna and Lance and Donna and Sean?

And we never saw Martha's boyfriend. (besides the later Mickey). I'll bet he was white or Japanese :)

It was just an observation the guy made, and I saw it too. It does look like it's being done for PC reasons, which is the worst reason to do it.
 
A couple of things I noticed is how strange it is for the Doctor to go pick up Clara in the middle of the adventure. "Hey Clara, I'm in a super dangerous situation, so I thought I'd bring you some coffee and pick you up."

He already had the coffee when he got into the dangerous situation, though. At the beginning of the episode, when he rescues Blue he has the plastic cups in his hand. The dialogue with Clara suggests that he was on his way to fetch coffee for the two of them when he got "distracted".

(That also means the coffee was probably cold by the time he is about to hand it to Clara.)

Just because he was getting coffee doesn't mean it's a good time to get Clara after encountering a Dalek at a hostile military base that's already threatened to kill him. It just seemed a little weird instead of having Clara there from the beginning (and then endangering her lol).
 
My only issue with him is a general issue about Doctor Who since the revival. What's with all the mixed relationships on the show?

All... two of them? Rose/Mickey and Clara/Danny?

Did you forget Donna and Lance and Donna and Sean?

And we never saw Martha's boyfriend. (besides the later Mickey). I'll bet he was white or Japanese :)

It was just an observation the guy made, and I saw it too. It does look like it's being done for PC reasons, which is the worst reason to do it.

Come to Detroit, it's not so uncommon here! :) I have six mixed cousins myself and at one time had three mixed stepbrothers.

Did Clyde/Rani ever make it to relationship status?
 
The "noticing" mixed-race couples is largely a generational issue, I think... My US generation [born 1961] doesn't see anything wrong w/it usually [there are always ignorant and/or hateful folks], but it was rare enough when we were growing up to be something we still "notice". In my experience younger folks [and I live and work in a college town] don't "notice" it in the same way, it just happens. It's an evolutionary process, or so I hope.

I do wonder about the assumption that it's being done "for PC reasons" only... that's more than a bit reactionary and is one of those assumptions that reveals more about the assumer than the target, methinks. :D

PS: Speaking of mixed-species acceptance, um... SPOCK?!?!
 
^ Depends where you are too. There are areas where there just aren't as many minorities around so there's less exposure.
 
So Rusty is Dr. Who's Hugh. interesting. I can see why they didn't have him meet his workprint fate. I think we will see him again. They made him too interesting for one ep only. As for Capaldi, I'm really liking him so far. I feel the Doc is still finding his footing so I can't wait to see what he's like mid-season.
I'm sure i share this with many older fans: how much longer do we have to see scenes set in a school where Chesterson is the headmaster before we actually SEE him!
 
The "noticing" mixed-race couples is largely a generational issue, I think... My US generation [born 1961] doesn't see anything wrong w/it usually [there are always ignorant and/or hateful folks], but it was rare enough when we were growing up to be something we still "notice". In my experience younger folks [and I live and work in a college town] don't "notice" it in the same way, it just happens. It's an evolutionary process, or so I hope.

I do wonder about the assumption that it's being done "for PC reasons" only... that's more than a bit reactionary and is one of those assumptions that reveals more about the assumer than the target, methinks. :D

PS: Speaking of mixed-species acceptance, um... SPOCK?!?!

Yeah. I saw it, I have no problem with it. Why I say it is a PC thing is because all the boyfriends/girlfriends of companions are mostly bland/generic. Mickey turned out to help a bit. We have no idea about Martha's doctor boyfriend, Donna's first bf sided with the Queen of the Aracnos, and #2 who she married, we know nothing about but that he is a dreamer. I don't know how in depth we will know Pink but....
they (Pink and Clara) have NO chemistry. It hurt to watch a forced relationship.
But in all the cases, the character could have been anyone. The fact they didn't mix it up makes me think it is/was a conscience decision on either RTD/SM or the BCC. Like I said, no big deal, just obvious.
 
My only issue with him is a general issue about Doctor Who since the revival. What's with all the mixed relationships on the show?

All... two of them? Rose/Mickey and Clara/Danny?

Did you forget Donna and Lance and Donna and Sean?

And we never saw Martha's boyfriend. (besides the later Mickey). I'll bet he was white or Japanese :)

It was just an observation the guy made, and I saw it too. It does look like it's being done for PC reasons, which is the worst reason to do it.

Or maybe they're normalizing it. And, those who are threatened by it are commenting negatively about it.

If the relationships were white male/Asian female I highly doubt there would be anyone getting upset, or any attention to said relationships, or the term 'PC' attributed to said relationships.;)
 
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So Rusty is Dr. Who's Hugh. interesting. I can see why they didn't have him meet his workprint fate. I think we will see him again. They made him too interesting for one ep only. As for Capaldi, I'm really liking him so far. I feel the Doc is still finding his footing so I can't wait to see what he's like mid-season.
I'm sure i share this with many older fans: how much longer do we have to see scenes set in a school where Chesterson is the headmaster before we actually SEE him!

Maybe they're concerned about the backlash re: the statement in SJA about Ian & Barbara not aging.

Think of the uproar! :guffaw:
 
All... two of them? Rose/Mickey and Clara/Danny?

Did you forget Donna and Lance and Donna and Sean?

And we never saw Martha's boyfriend. (besides the later Mickey). I'll bet he was white or Japanese :)

It was just an observation the guy made, and I saw it too. It does look like it's being done for PC reasons, which is the worst reason to do it.

Or maybe they're normalizing it. And, those who are threatened by it are commenting negatively about it.

If the relationships were white male/Asian female I highly doubt there would be anyone getting upset, or any attention to said relationships, or the term 'PC' attributed to said relationships.;)

If all of them were white male/Asian female combos, you can be sure it would have been brought up after the third instance and not after 4 or 5.
 
Like the last episode, my reaction is "meh." There are parts of the 12th doctor I like and parts I don't. I like that he's more serious, calmer, and less manic and quirky than the previous two. However, while I like the dry humor, he comes off as a dick sometimes, like in his line about how the dead guy was on the top layer if they wanted to say a few words, and in his coldness to the female soldier who'd lost her brother.

You don't want a Doctor who strays too far into a-hole territory. Also, what's with the nonsense about him having a thing against soldiers? Not only is that offensive, don't the writers remember UNIT, and that Lethbridge-Stewart was a SOLDIER and a good friend of the Doctor's?

The idea of a good Dalek was cool, and I was pleasantly surprised that it didn't turn out to be a trick, just an accident of brain chemistry.

Eh, the previous Doctors used to come across like dicks all the time in the classic series. It was just a natural part of their persona.

And the rude anti-hero thing is nothing we haven't seen before, on shows like House or Sherlock (which people seemed to have no problem with). As long as we know that at heart this Doctor is still a good guy (and he clearly is, or he wouldn't have saved the soldier in the first place), then I don't see a problem with him being a bit mean and nasty on the surface.

And as others have said, this is not only a different Doctor, whose attitude towards the military might be a bit different. But this particular soldier had also proven she was way too blunt and aggressive to ever be a proper companion, being only really capable of following orders and shooting things. That's the kind of soldier I can easily see the Doctor not wanting to keep around him for long.


Er, I wouldn't really say "all the time." The First and Sixth had the most dickish moments, and others could come across as a little cold or alien, but even when say, McCoy's Doctor was manipulating Ace he was doing it for a reason. There's a difference between "has an alien sensibility" and being a dick because anti-heroes or jerk protagonists are cool.

I'm not saying they're there yet, just something to watch for. I want to like the new Doctor.


As for the military stuff, there's a difference between an impatience with a military way of doing stuff, and actually saying that he won't associate with individuals who are soldiers just BECAUSE they're soldiers. It's ridiculous and hypocritical, since the Doctor is not exactly a pacifist. It's also(from a real world writing perspective) a lazy cliche that "the military mentality" is necessarily just to go around shooting, or blowing stuff up.
 
Did you forget Donna and Lance and Donna and Sean?

And we never saw Martha's boyfriend. (besides the later Mickey). I'll bet he was white or Japanese :)

It was just an observation the guy made, and I saw it too. It does look like it's being done for PC reasons, which is the worst reason to do it.

Or maybe they're normalizing it. And, those who are threatened by it are commenting negatively about it.

If the relationships were white male/Asian female I highly doubt there would be anyone getting upset, or any attention to said relationships, or the term 'PC' attributed to said relationships.;)

If all of them were white male/Asian female combos, you can be sure it would have been brought up after the third instance and not after 4 or 5.

Maybe. Maybe not. We have seen it - white male/Asian female relationships - in films and television for many, many, many years and that usually doesn't get the scrutiny as non-black/black relationships. Race tends to only become an issue or a discussion when black people are involved. And, that's usually that's when the term 'PC' (a term I despise) turns up as well.

I like that DW is showing couples like that. Interestingly, the only people I hear complaining are (some) white folks. I have yet to read or see any non-white fans complaining.

Note: You see this sort of mixing in other British media such as the film "Love Actually," "Luther," and even "Sarah Jane Chronicles." And, this is something that isn't really fictional since t does happen in 'real life.' (For example, I'm talking to a Eurasian girl - half-Asian/half-white - right now).
 
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Something the War Doctor said in "The Day Of The Doctor" came to mind watching this episode: But at worst, we failed doing the right thing. As opposed to succeeding in doing the wrong.

I think that sums up the 12th Doctor: He doesn't know if he's a good man, but he thinks he's doing or trying to do the right things.
 
Yea, I think Danny Pink is in the mix to show the Doctor that Soldiers aren't irredeemable like Daleks.

Wait...Danny Pink is Black? I thought he was South American :alienblush:

Black/White Relationship not mentioned is Jake/Ricky. Oh, and also Martha's Dad and his young blonde thing.
 
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I'm sure i share this with many older fans: how much longer do we have to see scenes set in a school where Chesterson is the headmaster before we actually SEE him!

I would love to see Ian! If they're going to do this, they should do it soon and not delay like with Nicholas Courtney. William Russell is 89 after all.

It would've been best with Matt Smith at the Doctor for the reverse age contrast, but still cool with Capaldi. (Again, huge missed opportunity.)

Mr Awe
 
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