Hello, everyone. This is the first thread I have started here, and as such, I want to apologize in advance if this question has been asked and answered, or if I'm just way off base in my logic, or if I'm making a mountain out of something that was just simply poorly written, but here goes: - In "E2", when we see the flashback of the Enterprise after having gone thru the wormhole/subspace corridor on its "first try" and ending up in the past, it's pretty clear, and observed quite quickly by Travis (he got to say something) that the stars weren't where they were supposed to be because they had moved into the past 150 or so years (don't remember the exact number.) Regardless - they knew quickly, the number of years was enough to affect navigation, and then they dealt with it as they saw fit after analyzing the consequences of multiple actions. Now - in "Zero Hour" - Enterprise is escorted home to the Sol system by the Xindi Aquatic ship. I thought the "time event" that put the events in motion that we saw at the end of "Zero Hour" happened the moment Daniels plucked Archer from the explosion on the Xindi weapon and set him down on Earth - in the middle of the alternate 'Germany focused on the west' timeline. We know that Archer was supposedly dead way before the landing party made it back to ENT, T'Pol bid farewell to the human Xindi, and off they went toward home under the superior power, and in the belly of, the Aquatic vessel. Archer had to be "somewhere" during those events. He was either getting himself hurt and burnt on Earth, or those burns were there from the explosion on the weapon, and the nazi's brought him to their medical camp as a curiosity/casualty, mainly because of his uniform and the insignia. He certainly wasn't hanging out with Daniels having party time. But, logic would say, he was in the nazi alternate timeline at this point. After repeated watching, I didn't see any other indicators to lead me to believe that Enterprise occurred at a different time than Archer's - Daniels made the change when he pulled Archer off the weapon at the last minute. Was there anything I missed? Was is subtle and flew over my head? What happened that could suggest that ENT dropped into the nazi timeline separately from Archer? So - IF they were already in 1940's when they were dropped off by the aquatics. Why - - 1) Wouldn't the landing party/away team tasked with destroying the weapon (Reed, Hoshi, etc.) notice a change on the way back to meet up with the Xindi and the ENT after destroying the weapon? 2) wouldn't the Aquatics notice a change during their travel from the now-cleaned Delphic Expanse to the Sol system and raise a red flag? 3) would the Aquatics just leave ENT if they did notice, after ENT just saved them from the sphere builders? Beyond any of that - which "could" be explained by the time shift occuring later to ENT than to Archer, or ENT being affected by the change in the timeline after their return to Earth and after the Aquatics taking off for home, or the time change somehow being confined to Earth like a bubble at that point - with the Xindi not ever experiencing it because they didn't get close enough.... 4) Why wouldn't anyone on Enterprise notice the issue with the stars being out of whack - or changing on them mid-stream (if the change occured after the Aquatics left, in the bubble hypothesis) at some point. Why did they have to go thru hailing the orbital stations (which were also, obviously never built in that timeline, and therefore visually absent, even at their distance) as well as audio to starfleet ground facilities? SURELY we know by that point the time-shift HAD to have occurred - Tucker and Mayweather went right down there to San Francisco in a pod right after they got dead air on all the comm channels and got shot by 1940's military aircraft. It seems a critical detail to me, at least, and made the crew look pretty bad if they just "missed" such a huge change in the stars. --- I know the answer might be as simple as - there no drama in having the Aquatics find out and tell them back in the now cleaned up Delphic expanse. Or there's no drama in not having Hoshi call all around trying to make contact, etc. It "keeps us on the edge of our seat" waiting for the nazi's to arrive. Since we just saw something similar, time wise, with Enterprise landing 150 or so years in the past in E2 - we know they can figure it out pretty quickly. Why didn't they this time, and why didn't their new allies do so either if the shift had occured while they were still there. Regardless - the shift happened to ENT at somepoint, regardless of when. Why did they fail to see it and only learn of it by physically going down in a shuttle and getting shot at by people from the alternate timeline? It's been bugging me ever since I'd been reading a few other posts about 'Zero Hour' and those gems 'Storm Front I and II.' Why couldn't they have tied up the temporal cold war some other way - but that's a whole different (possibly already ongoing) discussion that I'd prefer to watch more than start... [Man... trying to write coherently when dealing with time travel/temporal mechanics/alternate realities is tough - I hope I made sense and that I just didn't make a mountain out of something that can be simply explained by "it was just bad writing." I know that much already - I watched Storm Front I and II , maybe some more just bled back into Zero Hour ] I was looking for/hoping for something either that I missed or that made the scenario posited at the end of "Zero Hour" make more sense to me logically and scientifically.