(Your) most depressing episode

[Krupp]

Course: Oblivion is depressing, but Endgame was really maddeningly sad. Seven seasons of sticking with Voyager through quite a bit of up and down and the ending is the ship flying over the Golden Gate Bridge as the credits roll? That felt bad. Still feels bad. A slow pull away from DS9 or poker night it is not.

 

[oldtrekkie]

"Child's Play": Finding that your own mother wants you dead has to be the lowest point of anybody's life!

 

[Omega-Trekker]

Course: Oblivion is depressing, but Endgame was really maddeningly sad. Seven seasons of sticking with Voyager through quite a bit of up and down and the ending is the ship flying over the Golden Gate Bridge as the credits roll? That felt bad. Still feels bad. A slow pull away from DS9 or poker night it is not.

Actually the Voyager flying over the GG bridge was the beginning of the episode, not the ending. The ending had them knocking off the Borg queen, travelling through a transwarp conduit in the course of it's destruction, destroying a sphere and then popping into normal space seeing dozens of Federation ships and then making a course for Earth shortly after Tom & B'Elanna's daughter was born.

 

[Farscape One]

Which is even worse, because that timeline doesn't happen anymore.

 

[Omega-Trekker]

Which is even worse, because that timeline doesn't happen anymore.

I would disagree, Tuvok hasn't lost his mind, fewer crew members died, and advanced technology made it back in time without the Relativity and agent Braxton or Danials or anyone else from the Temporal Police caring.

 

[oldtrekkie]

I would disagree, Tuvok hasn't lost his mind, fewer crew members died, and advanced technology made it back in time without the Relativity and agent Braxton or Danials or anyone else from the Temporal Police caring.

Blame that on the guardian of forever. He does a lousy job of... guarding forever.

 

[Oddish]

Whether the post-Janeway timeline was better or worse, we don't really know. We never find out what happened to most of the characters.

Were the Maquis pardoned?
Was the Doctor accepted in society?
Did Tom and Adm. Paris reconcile?

We NEVER FRICKIN' KNOW!

 

[Farscape One]

I would disagree, Tuvok hasn't lost his mind, fewer crew members died, and advanced technology made it back in time without the Relativity and agent Braxton or Danials or anyone else from the Temporal Police caring.

What I meant by 'even worse' was the statement of not seeing the Voyager do a flyby over Golden Gate. We were robbed of any closure because the future we saw... Barclay an Academy instructor, Kim as a captain, The Doctor married, etc... was erased.

Seeing Voyager heading to Earth, escorted by almost every major class Starfleet ship in the 24th century, was all we got.

 

[Lynx]

Whether the post-Janeway timeline was better or worse, we don't really know. We never find out what happened to most of the characters.

Were the Maquis pardoned?
Was the Doctor accepted in society?
Did Tom and Adm. Paris reconcile?

We NEVER FRICKIN' KNOW!

Oh yes we do!

Visit Memory Beta, read the Voyager Relaunch books and visit the Kes Website!
OK, some contradictions here and trhere but still ap icture of what has happened and that Our heroes are still alive and well.
All of them!

 

[Krupp]

Actually the Voyager flying over the GG bridge was the beginning of the episode, not the ending. The ending had them knocking off the Borg queen, travelling through a transwarp conduit in the course of it's destruction, destroying a sphere and then popping into normal space seeing dozens of Federation ships and then making a course for Earth shortly after Tom & B'Elanna's daughter was born.

Quite right, I had the ending mixed up - It was just Voyager flying to earth and credits roll. Exact same feeling of empty.

I would disagree, Tuvok hasn't lost his mind, fewer crew members died, and advanced technology made it back in time without the Relativity and agent Braxton or Danials or anyone else from the Temporal Police caring.

Yeah but that was all crafted specifically for the story. For sure the alt history admiral Janeway timeline getting replaced feels better, but still, it was all packed in. Even if they had done the endgame series, make it a triple header with proper resolutions, inc Janeway getting her maquis crew accepted back home etc. All stuff discussed but never resolved in the series.

Oh yes we do!

Visit Memory Beta, read the Voyager Relaunch books and visit the Kes Website!
OK, some contradictions here and trhere but still ap icture of what has happened and that Our heroes are still alive and well.
All of them!

I love the litverse but there was an onus on the show runners to tie up the show in the episodes. Endgame almost felt like they were like “oh gosh, it’s the end of season 7 already? How many did TNG and DS9 go for? Gee. We’d better wrap this up.”

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

"Real Life" seems more about self inflicting harm than learning about family life. Plus, the Doc's family never returns.

In someone like me, the end of "Repentance" is more prone to cause outrage than sorrow.

For me, it's got to be Course: Oblivion. That episode is frickin' brutal.

Real Life, like many Voyager episodes, would be more effective had there actually been any kind of followup. As much as I agree with the concept of "you need to experience these things because humans don't get a 'fast forward' or 'skip chapter' button on tragedies," without exploring the emotional fallout by bringing his family back on the regular, it IS just inflicting harm for the sake of inflicting harm.

It's much like Tuvix - I honestly believe that if they'd been able to explore the fallout and the emotional reactions, among the crew and particularly among Neelix and Tuvok themselves, and on how Janeway feels about having pushed the button, I genuinely believe that debate would not be the contentious divide among the fans that it has become.

So yeah, my vote for saddest goes to Course: Oblivion. I am frustrated that it's all about "we can do major developments and changes because it doesn't actually matter, these aren't REALLY our characters," but as the characters all start dying, and then the ship dissolves just - JUST - away from the point where their loss could be known by anyone... It's all the gravitas that I wanted from the show on the regular, compacted into one episode.

 

[Oddish]

It's all the gravitas that I wanted from the show on the regular, compacted into one episode.

It seems like that's a regular thing for Voyager, trying to squeeze into one episode certain "roads not taken". For instance...
"Resolutions": A Janeway/Chakotay pairing.
"Before and After": The life of Kes.
"Year of Hell": Voyager sustains increasing damage.

 

[Lynx]

Quite right, I had the ending mixed up - It was just Voyager flying to earth and credits roll. Exact same feeling of empty.


Yeah but that was all crafted specifically for the story. For sure the alt history admiral Janeway timeline getting replaced feels better, but still, it was all packed in. Even if they had done the endgame series, make it a triple header with proper resolutions, inc Janeway getting her maquis crew accepted back home etc. All stuff discussed but never resolved in the series.



I love the litverse but there was an onus on the show runners to tie up the show in the episodes. Endgame almost felt like they were like “oh gosh, it’s the end of season 7 already? How many did TNG and DS9 go for? Gee. We’d better wrap this up.”

The "we will only have seven seasons of each series" was the biggest mistake and the most stupid tjhing those in charge of TNG, DS9 and Voyager did.

Look at series like Law And Order Special Victims Unit, NCIS, NCIS LA, CSI and some other series as well. Someof them have done 15-20 seasons and more and are still entertaining and exciting to watch. A series like DS9 could have gone for 15 seasons and more and would still have been exciting. If you have the right writers and the right actors, a series can go on forever.

I remember that I was surprised and angry when I found out that TNG was about to end after seven seasons, not because it was bad or that th eviewers had become tired of it but because som hotshots had decided that "no, we will only do seven seasons because WE want it that way. That was the first time I strongly questioned and doubted what those in charge of Star Trek were doing, unfortunately it was not the last.

Endgame was one of the most the most pathetic end episode of a series I've ever watched. I hadn't watched one songle episode of Voyager since that insulting crap episode at the end of season 6 but I decided to watch Endgame because I wanted to see what finally would happen to my old heroes. I remember that I definitely decided to watch the episode about one minute before it was aired and afterward I strongly regretted that decision.

 

[Oddish]

I hadn't watched one songle episode of Voyager since that insulting crap episode at the end of season 6 but I decided to watch Endgame because I wanted to see what finally would happen to my old heroes.

That's what we wanted, wasn't it? To see what happened to our heroes. So of course, what does Endgame do? Why, it shows us... what DIDN'T happen to our heroes. It's like the writers were sticking out their collective tongue at us...

 

[dupersuper]

I was super depressed when the end of "Author, Author" implied the Federation had become slavers...

 

[Lynx]

That's what we wanted, wasn't it? To see what happened to our heroes. So of course, what does Endgame do? Why, it shows us... what DIDN'T happen to our heroes. It's like the writers were sticking out their collective tongue at us...

Or more likely, showed a finger up in our faces.
They did that to one group of fans at the end of season six and they did it again to all other fans with Endgame.

 

[Oddish]

They did that to one group of fans at the end of season six

Twice, actually. They hit us once in "Unimatrix Zero" and again in "Nightingale". And since we don't have a birdie finger emote, this will have to do.

 

[Akiraprise]

Course: Oblivion for me was quite the depressing surprise when I first watched it. Expecting the typical all tied up neatly into a bow ending I had been accustomed to with most Trek. There was no reset button for the silver blood crew. No record of their ever having existed. Just some blobs floating by as our normal Voyager crew makes a log entry and warps away.

 

[Lynx]

That's what we wanted, wasn't it? To see what happened to our heroes. So of course, what does Endgame do? Why, it shows us... what DIDN'T happen to our heroes. It's like the writers were sticking out their collective tongue at us...

Unfortunately, I'm not referring to any of the episodes you are mentioning.

In that case it would be three times.

 

[Oddish]

Unfortunately, I'm not referring to any of the episodes you are mentioning.

In that case it would be three times.

We're probably referring to different incidents. Which fans did they hit at the end if Season 6?