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Your honest opinion on the Berman era

Do you like the Berman era?

  • I HATE THE BERMAN ERA

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They have hybrids that should not even be possible to exist, the lastest blunder being Thok.

Would that make Spock the original blunder? All the way back in the very first episode of the very first show? Would Deanna Troi be the second blunder? K'Ehleyr the third? Yeah, that's kind of baked into the concept.


 
Would that make Spock the original blunder? All the way back in the very first episode of the very first show? Would Deanna Troi be the second blunder? K'Ehleyr the third? Yeah, that's kind of baked into the concept.
At least, thanks to ENT, there's an explaination for Spock. It probably required a lot of medical work to create him. Even Vulcan blood chemistry is different than Earths, so it wasn't Sarek looking shocked in the morning and telling Amanda "oh shit, I thought you said you had an IUD. You meant Interstellar University Degree.. right.. well" .

Various writers seem to think that Klingons are at least somewhat human, or avian, or lizard, and now generously blessed in the two-of-everything department. How they produce offspring with both humans and reptiles and the porcine Tellarites is difficult to understand.

Betazoids seem a little closer to humans. Anyway


It being often used canonically doesn't make it less silly.
 
You're assuming that all of these hybrids are the results of purely sexual reproduction. K'Ehleyr told Troi that they had to do some tinkering with the DNA. Bashir told Worf and Dax that they could have children with some tinkering. Raffi's son and his wife were having the tinkering done to have children -- at a clinic that existed for that very purpose! I have actually kind of always assumed that Lura was the result of some lab work simply because of the nature of the Jem Hadar. Just with a little Klingon DNA mixed into the formula. Alexander was created the old fashioned way, but at least both parties have Klingon DNA in that instance.
 
I also started rewatching DS9 season 1Emissary the Battle of Wolf 359 when Ben Sisko loses his wife Jennifer still packs an emotional wallop and the scenes with him and Picard confronting him about the battle of Wolf 359 his rage at what happened of losing his wife and crew on the saratoga made Picard very uncomfortable. He deserved to see the consequences of those events .Ben had every right to feel very angry at Picard the he did in that moment. In his memories his wife Jennifer's being lifeless was the ghost haunting him his memories in a major way.
 
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I just watched TNG season 6 Frame of Mind one of the gbest Riker Episodes. Jonathan Frakes tour de force performance hit it out of the park.And Supiscions the sci fi murder mystery with Beverly crusher is a great story for her character too.
 
At least, thanks to ENT, there's an explaination for Spock. It probably required a lot of medical work to create him. Even Vulcan blood chemistry is different than Earths, so it wasn't Sarek looking shocked in the morning and telling Amanda "oh shit, I thought you said you had an IUD. You meant Interstellar University Degree.. right.. well" .

Various writers seem to think that Klingons are at least somewhat human, or avian, or lizard, and now generously blessed in the two-of-everything department. How they produce offspring with both humans and reptiles and the porcine Tellarites is difficult to understand.

Betazoids seem a little closer to humans. Anyway


It being often used canonically doesn't make it less silly.
It’s fiction. It doesn’t have to make sense.
 
My sentiments on this are simple.

There's a good chance than anything you like about Star Trek today has its origins in the Berman era.

There's also a good chance than anything you dislike about Star Trek today has its origins in the Berman era.

Excellent post and bang on the money.
 
Nowhere near as cringy as Chakotay/7 of 9. Which came out of nowhere, involved two individuals who had even less chemistry than N/K, and the difference in ages was far more pronounced. Plus, it literally only existed to be a plot point for the finale in which old Janeway mourns their deaths (but not Carey's.)
Worse, it seems to have only existed on a dare.
 
The Worf/Troi thing was also a hasty artificial pairing created mainly as a plot device for the series finale, just like C/7.*

Most relationships in Star Trek are contrived nonsense.

*Actually, the plots of AGT and Endgame are pretty much the same, only Endgame has Borg.
The Trek demographic dislikes any depiction of romantic love because it detracts from space lasers, explosions, battles and techno-babble.
 
I also started rewatching DS9 season 1Emissary the Battle of Wolf 359 when Ben Sisko loses his wife Jennifer still packs an emotional wallop and the scenes with him and Picard confronting him about the battle of Wolf 359 his rage at what happened of losing his wife and crew on the saratoga made Picard very uncomfortable. He deserved to see the consequences of those events .Ben had every right to feel very angry at Picard the he did in that moment. In his memories his wife Jennifer's being lifeless was the ghost haunting him his memories in a major way.
Picard and Sisko: two chrome-domes arguing over a comb.
 
What exactly do you believe "the Trek demographic" to be?
Around 13 to 21. Hence, a penchant for space lasers, explosions, techno-gibberish and an aversion to adult romantic relationships. The irony is that this demographic enjoys looking at hot babes in skin-tight clothing but feels uncomfortable watching romantic scenes, since these White Males basically stay home and play video games.

Boomers are aging out. TOS fans are mostly over 50 and have college degrees.
 
I get the impression that this guy is a member of the same Star Trek fan club as Stephen Miller.
I am pro-immigrant and an ardent liberal-democrat. Miller is a gross abomination. However, I don’t want your lattes and avocado toast. I want meatloaf with gravy, mashed potatoes and a cold beer.
 
Around 13 to 21. Hence, a penchant for space lasers, explosions, techno-gibberish and an aversion to adult romantic relationships. The irony is that this demographic enjoys looking at hot babes in skin-tight clothing but feels uncomfortable watching romantic scenes, since these White Males basically stay home and play video games.

Boomers are aging out. TOS fans are mostly over 50 and have college degrees.
I don't think you have a very good understanding of "the Trek demographic".
 
My sentiments on this are simple.

There's a good chance than anything you like about Star Trek today has its origins in the Berman era.

There's also a good chance than anything you dislike about Star Trek today has its origins in the Berman era.

I get the sentiment, but I don't think that's quite true. In the twenty years (1966-1986) between the airing of TOS through The Voyage Home (which was what all Trek fans at the time were limited to as far as on-screen Star Trek went pre-TNG), there were conventions, novels, comics, roleplaying games, video games, fanzines, guidebooks, etc., which enhanced this fictional universe far more than the show ever did. That was more of a barometer for Trek at the time than the Berman era (which then understandably superseded all that once the concept of 'canon' and non-canon' became the guiding factor for what defined this fictional universe.)

I don't think you have a very good understanding of "the Trek demographic".

Yep. Based on the average age of the people on the Star Trek cruise (who are a good representation of the fandom at large), he is completely wrong.
 
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